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Discussion in 'Cat Breeding' started by W3102, Nov 21, 2020.


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  1. W3102

    W3102 PetForums Newbie

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    Please help. Reserved a BSH to be our first pet.
    Advert didnt mention anything about papers/gccf registered. We went to see breeder - mum and dad (both family pets), we were happy with what we saw. (they were genuine animal enthusiasts and had several cats that were demanding to be cuddled, and other pets).

    Kitten cost 700. This isnt unusual for BSH. But if theres no mention of papers/GCCF could parents have health issues? Or am i worrying about nothing...?
     
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    OrientalSlave Shunra Oriental Cats

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    Have you asked if the kitten will be registered? I suspect the answer will be no. It wouldn't surprise me if the parents or one of them is registered, but not for breeding.

    Langford, the main DNA testing lab in the UK, recommend BSH are tested to make sure they are free of PKD and ALPS. Unfortunately the GCCF's current BSH registration policy doesn't require the cats are free of these, either by testing or inheritance, but a good breeder will test their cats.
     
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    Personally I would avoid, its not supporting those that put the real effort in.
    Will the kittens leave earlier than 13 weeks and unvaccinated too?
     
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    W3102 PetForums Newbie

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    I have paid a deposit. Yes. 8 weeks but i can choose to have them at 12/13 and get them to vaccinate. 8 weeks is enough for a kitten to be litter trained weaned etc.
     
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    8 weeks is much too young for a kitten to leave its mum and littermates, especially if it’s a lone kitten. They learn so much about cat etiquette between 8 and 12 weeks.

    I didn’t know any better when I bought my kittens (non pedigree from a friend with an accidental litter) and although I think they have been better because they are together I think they would have benefitted from longer with mum.

    Kittens become really expensive after 8 weeks as well with vaccinations, vet checks, worming/flea treating, neutering and microchipping. Not to mention kittens eat sooooo much which means it’s more expensive. I’m surprised breeders make any money from kittens really.
     
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    The GCCF and others recommend 13 weeks because of solisation with mum and litter mates.
    You're paying £200 more than I paid for registered bsh kittens, vaccinated, health tested parents, leaving at the correct time (when kittens start costing the most because of the volume of food and litter used).
     
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    David C PetForums Senior

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    Arghhhhhhh. Is the way this and many posts like this make me feel. Ask them about parents health tests that have been done and ask them if they are registered. If none of this has been done then walk away. I get so pissed when I see people letting kittens go so early and you know what the RSPCA and cats protection dont help when they say it's fine for them to leave at 8 weeks. Hell our kittens are still taking feeds from mum if she'll let them at 12 and 13 weeks not that they need to do so then but some still do for comfort.
     
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    "Litter trained" is something a kitten knows how to do by instinct because of his or her very nature as a feline. Sure, 8 weeks is "old enough" to be weaned. But not much else. Breeders who push their kittens out at 8 weeks do so because after that it cost money to feed them , not to mention the cat litter they will go through. This means the breeder does not have their kittens' best interests at heart. They only care about money.

    And of course you need to know about if they've tested for genetic diseases.

    Since you are here asking, I suspect you know all this already, and know you should walk away. Don't give these unethical people your money.
     
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    It's the purchasers job to research all information before placing a deposit. Thankfully you have time now to walk away and find a reputable breeder.

    Good breeders will be upfront about all their kittens come with - paperwork, health tested, vet work.
    And buyers are welcome to ask all the questions they'd like, and expect as many back from the breeder ensuring they are worthy to own one of their precious babies.
     
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    W3102 PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks all. I may or may not walk away.
    I know many people who take kittens at even less than 8 wks and have no issues. I have the choice to pay extra and take after 13 weeks but I was inclined to take around 8-9 wks as I will have time off during Xmas to spend a lot of time with it when its newly settling in.

    Appreciate all the advice - if it's got genetic issues then it is what it is I guess. It isnt the kittens fault. Seems like parents are family pets, no issues but no tests. I dont think they breed them more than once a year.
     
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    Also, I went to see a BSH that wouldve came with GCCF and paperwork. It was a horrid experience. The 8 - 9 wk kittens were so scared of us and their owner, at least in our presence. Dad was hissing at us. Kittens hiding behind sofa. Place was clean, lots of cat trees toys etc but they hadnt been socialised well!
     
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    Honestly, why bother asking and wasting members’ time who bother to give their advice?

    The trouble with paying good money for poorly bred kittens is it just encourages more to be bred just for the profit.

    It’s all very well saying “oh well, if it’s got genetic issues, it is what it is”, but it’s the kitten that will suffer (and the many more that come after it) not you!
     
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    Then that breeder simply wasn't the one for you.
    Doesn't make supporting a byb the right choice.

    The "family pets" were bought as not for breeding, or from a line of byb cats. Why would you choose to support such dishonesty.
     
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    Sorry I may be misunderstanding this, but your paying £700 for an 8 week old kitten and you’ll have to pay more for the breeder to keep he/she until 13 weeks?
     
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    Oh I'm sure you can justify to yourself why it would be okay for you to take "it". Just the fact that you are calling this baby an "it" says volumes. You're a BYB's dream customer.

    As for people who take infant kittens with "no issues". Sure, no issues for the people. But what about the kittens themselves and what's best for them? Since they are only "its", who cares what's best for it, right? It's only all about what you want.
     
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    Hi
    I would avoid to be honest, I got my kitten gccf registered, vaccinated, vet checked and neutered from a great breeder at 13 weeks, well socialised and the most chilled kitten ever for £750. If they’re not saying it’s registered it won’t be, you have no guarantee of breed or testing. I’d walk away and get a registered baby. Xx
     
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    My current litter have been litter trained & eating food since 4 weeks, that didn't make them old enough to leave. At 11 weeks they still suckle when allowed to do so.

    You are new here, if you had been around a few months you would have seen plenty of kittens of 8 weeks & less that had lots of issues.

    All decent breeders keep their cats as family pets.

    What's good or bad about only breeding once a year - allegedly? Nothing. And I don't think you can trust what the seller says. They want to impress you so "well they would [say that] wouldn't they?"

    But I don't think anything said here will make a difference. You want that kitten, you will have it regardless.
     
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    Lurcherlad PetForums VIP

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    Lots of good advice given.

    Mods: Maybe this thread should be locked now to save members wasting any more of their time?
     
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