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Releasing wolves into the UK

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Gratch, Apr 1, 2011.


  1. Gratch

    Gratch PetForums VIP

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    The zoo thread got me thinking about a topic that I quite like to argue alot and have done several times for college/uni assessments. For many years there's been talk of releasing wolves into areas of the UK. I'm all for that but I'll save my opinion for later. They did it very successfully in Yellowstone in the US though I haven't kept up to date with it in the last year. Obviously that's a much larger area than we could devote to wolf packs but they will eventually roam. I know alot of people on the forum live in rural areas and keep animals that could be seen as a target for wolves. Anyone have an opinion on the matter?
     
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    There's a guy that owns acres and acres in Scotland who got permission to reintroduce beavers on his land (not sure of the ins and outs tbh) and wants to bring back bears, lynx and wolves also.
    The link below sounds like a porno site but its not, honest!

    http://www.scotsbeavers.org/

    If its going to happen in the UK I think it would be in Scotland first and I would be for it :D
     
  3. ballybee

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    I thought Britain wasn't anywhere near as big as one small wolf pack would need for territory? I'd imagine it would be difficult for farmers as lets face it....a sheep trapped in a field is much easier to catch than deer running free :eek: i know which one i'd pick(i don't like venison so may be bias here).
     
  4. Gratch

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    Wolves used to be an apex predator in Britain so yes we're big enough :)
     
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    The beavers are already there....he got told no to the predtors(this is still ongoing) athough i don't think Lynx would be much of a problem :p bears probably would as they'd eventually do what foxes have done and come into towns for easy food....I wouldn't be surprised if the odd cat or 5 went missing in rural areas due to wolves and lynx either but seeing as both are shy i don't think they'd be much of a problem. :eek:

    Personally i'd love to see these animals back in the UK but i don't think it's a viable option as we've become too urbanised :cryin:
     
  6. Gratch

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    Hoping this picks up a bit so I can say my part! I'm such a devils advocate
     
  7. poohdog

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    Absolutely not...

    It would be cruel to the wolves which would finish up dead from a farmers shotgun.This island is far too small and overpopulated to release predators.Even in Scotland you're never far away from humanity and livestock.
    Even with compensation farmers wouldn't put up with it and the animals would mysteriously disappear.
    Horse and pony owners wouldn't be too chuffed to find their favourites half eaten in their fields.

    Especially the filthy rich brigade with their country estates.A keeper would soon be leaving poisoned bait if the animals interfered with their profitable deer stalking and gamebird shoots.
     
  8. noushka05

    noushka05 Unicorn denier. Snowflake. Activist ;)

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    theyve tried at Alladale in Scotland but ridiculous legislation, which is suppose to apply to zoos feeding live animals to predators, wont allow it because its been fenced off and this gives the deer a disadvantage, even though the deer have acres and acres.

    Yellowstone has been a great success the eco-system is healthy once again since their release but tragically this looks like coming to an end because theyre trying to push new legislation through to amend the endangered species act and omit the grey wolf!:mad:
     
  9. Gratch

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    Ugh that's awful, the last I read was that Yellowstone benefited from them. The thing with the deer is they're stripping Scotland clean and culling just doesn't do the trick. If they had a natural predator then there numbers would go down to a normal level. I would rather an animal hunt them for food than a human hunt them for fun or to cut the numbers down. The thing about wolves also is that with an abundance of food (deer) they will generally leave livestock alone. There are also several cheap and easy methods of keeping wolves away that doesn't result in death so there's alot for them to look into still. I really do hope we can finally bring them back to the UK. I feel differently about bears however as I would get eaten trying to hug one.
     
  10. noushka05

    noushka05 Unicorn denier. Snowflake. Activist ;)

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    i'd love to have wolves back here in the UK theyre my favourite animal...i want bears back aswell tho:D but i think the only wilderness they would be safe would be on the Alladale estate.

    i had a cause sent to me on fb by 'savewolves' in eleven days the French are going to hunt their wolves......theres only 150 of them left! that is flamin criminal!
     
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  11. Ren

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    I totally agree with it, but first people's attitudes need to change. If we do it now, the wolves would most likely end up dead. But one day I would like the wolves back, as with every native species that is extinct in the wild. If we expect other countries/farmers to deal with big cats and bears we have to show that we are willing to live with our native predators too.
     
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    There is a guy some where in the uk i think he lives in devon some where i think his name is sean ellis or something like that and he actually keeps a wolf pack there was a program last year about him.
    This is the person i mean
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlGZthogIdY
     
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    Oh God if that's the programme I watched - I was absolutely appalled! Was that the guy who kept wolves in compounds, forced his terrified girlfriend in with them and when she went to the hairdressers one day, in he went and got mauled! Didn't, if my memory serves me correctly, we introduce foxes into Britain? Now look what's happened? Love wolves - the British public - err a definate NO! We can't look after our domestic animals properly - let alone anything else! Sorry guys, I know you lot care for your animals - but the British public in general do nothing for me!
     
  14. Mese

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    surely that was all before the spread of towns and cities though.
    imo , sadly , I think it would be a huge failure ... there just wouldnt be the room today for a healthy pack to live in the wild ... and what would they eat , small animals surely wouldnt be enough to sustain a healthy pack ?
    and say they did attack livestock or pets or (and I am aware wolves are shy but it is a possibility) a child .... who is accountable

    plus , a certain type of person would see it as open season on wolf hunting :(

    Are we going to reintroduce bears next ?

    Just because some things used to be ... doesnt mean they should be again
     
  15. Sleeping_Lion

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    I'll bite, no, they shouldn't be released, it would be cruel. This island is far too small and heavily populated with humans and domesticated animals there would be far too much conflict. People have lived in rural areas for years, it would be unfair to now expect them to live alongside a large and dangerous predator because people generally think it's a nice idea. In large contained areas, yes, but free to roam, no.

    Exactly the same thing happened in the US, the rural people were not consulted adequately, and wolves do not stick to boundaries. Now a form of control outside the national parks is being suggested, everyone is up in arms saying people want to wipe out wolves. I have friends who live very close to the Yellowstone National Park, and they are for controlling the population, they certainly don't want to see them wiped out.

    It's a nice idea that we could go back hundreds of years and live alongside these large predators, but we live in in a very different world. Before we go changing it for what we perceive to be better for our own selfish reasons ie to see wolves roaming free just because they once used to, we need to think very carefully about what would happen ten or twenty years down the line. As there's no way of adequately controlling their population, numbers, where they would possibly roam, I just see it as cruel to even think about them being released into the *wild*, for one thing, there just isn't such a thing in this country any longer.

    Right, off to have a cup of tea with my chocolate wolves, Indie will be demanding part of it as usual :rolleyes:
     
  16. Zaros

    Zaros Pet Forums, P/resident Evil

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    I'm not sure when this programme was produced but those who are interested in the 'Big bad Wolf' without all the hype and hysteria from the media or the movies might be interested in the enclosed link.

    The programme itself is in 3 short parts.

    As for the notion that land gentry and farmers would start shooting Wolves at random, the Government should apply strict laws forbidding hunting or willful shooting of the Wolf without first obtaining a permit for an animal that has proven to be a nuisance to livestock.


    YouTube - Wolf - Demything the Beast (Part 1)
     
  17. poohdog

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    The only places here that could remotely be described as wilderness are full of sheep.And there's no way a wolf will pass up an easy meal to find a deer.

    The last wolf in Britain was killed we think in the 1700s.The human population then was around the five million mark,and they thought it was a threat to be eliminated then.
    With 62 million now the poor things wouldn't stand a chance.
     
  18. noushka05

    noushka05 Unicorn denier. Snowflake. Activist ;)

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    this is where they wanted to reintroduce the wolves Alladale Wilderness Lodge and Reserve its fenced much like the reserves are in Africa so there would be no conflict with man, they wanted to restore the balance the deer need controlling and theres no better way of doing that than wolves.

    the wolf haters do want to wipe them out in the Northern Rockies and infact everywhere! they are trying to change the ESA so grey wolves cant receive its protections. As this data shows wolves arent doing the damage to livestock the wolf haters claim!

    and more than 200 Independant Scientists have said the wolf numbers are to low to warrent hunting....and if they do reduce numbers further it will affect the wolves in Yellowstone NP because they wont beable to disperse to breed they will be within a genetic bottle neck!

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  19. Sleeping_Lion

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    Noushka hun, we've had this debate before about the US and the tag system the US wildlife and fisheries use, so I won't take over this thread with it, we both differ vastly with our opinions on the need for controlling populations, but neither of us wants to see wolves wiped out anywhere.

    Exactly, a fenced area, but wild in the UK, it just isn't possible and I think cruel to the wolves because there would come a point where they would have to be controlled. As we don't have large enough spaces to relocate anything like a wolf to another area, they would have to be culled.
     
  20. Zaros

    Zaros Pet Forums, P/resident Evil

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    62 million on an island so small? :blink:
    Then it's about time they got an appointment down at the family planning clinic with the consideration of making a little extra room for a more varied and interesting wildlife! ;)
     
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