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red Gordon Setters...

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by leashedForLife, May 25, 2010.


  1. canuckjill

    canuckjill PetForums VIP

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    So is there such a thing as a Red Gordon Setter? I thought it was Gordon Setters and Irish Setters but it looked like both in the litter?...Jill
     
  2. leashedForLife

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    hey, jill! :--)

    Gordon Setter - Dog Pictures
     
  3. sequeena

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    Didn't know you could get red ones. They're lovely :)
     
  4. leashedForLife

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    also
    American Kennel Club - Gordon Setter

    notice that they write TWICE under color, that the red, tan or buff dogs are ineligible to show, but then they add,
    and UNdesirable for breeding - :rolleyes: essentially underlining the distaste for the non-standard.

    Gordons were believed to be one root of the red-Irish, which was originally RED + WHITE - not solid-red.
    i think it is a great pity that the *sleet* coat-pattern in Red-and-White Setters has disappeared - it was speckles of white,
    like the ticked coat-pattern of an English, which is red on white -
    but in the SLEET Red-and-White Setters, it was white speckles on rich red.

    personally, as the need to preserve diversity in our dogs is becoming critical, i think they should recognize other colors;
    the recessive-red and occasional solid-blacks of early Gordons were the root of the eventual Flat-Coat
    + also the Golden Retriever - a yellow Flattie does not look like a Golden, except in color.

    similarly, a red Gordon does not resemble a red-blonde Golden, nor a red Irish -
    as pups they all look similar, but so does an English Mastiff + a fawn Pug-puppy with a mask.
    as adults, they look like their various breeds - just in non-standard colors.

    cheers,
    --- terry
     
  5. sequeena

    sequeena PetForums VIP

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    Mmm I understand there need to be standards in breeds but I hate when they outright ban certain colours from showing etc.

    Reds might be a genetic throwback but they're not diseased and they are beautiful :)
     
  6. canuckjill

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    Thanks Terry that was most interesting....Jill
     
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    Gordon Setter Puppies Breeders Setters

     
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    an excellent + wide-ranging article on Setters, from the early period in Scotland, Britain + Ireland,
    to the USA and up to the modern day.
    Today's Red Setter

    notice that the early-Setters were not infrequently interbred, and the NEW (or at least more recent) hunting-line
    of Red-Setters in the Field-Dog Studbook of the USA are English x Irish, and are simply called **Red Setters** --
    one of Bosers dogs, Bearcat, has achieved a truly phenomenal 158 field-trial placements - his son Desperado was competing
    against his sire in many trials, and as a result, only has 120 - so far ;) the elder dog beat his son a number of times.
     
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    Just a chance to show off my darlings - here are some pics of my Irish Red and White Setters.

    They are still a vulnerable breed, which I think is a crying shame. They were almost lost when people began to favour the full red coat.
    The coat should have no ticking though - it should be patches of red on a pearly white background.
     

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  10. SpringerHusky

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    Wow, very nice. Personally I always like an unusal colour/patterns to a breed for me I find it far more attractive :lol:
     
  11. vizzy24

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    Wow never seen that before I bet they are stunning when they are older I do love the setter especially the gordons and red is my fav colour on a dog :thumbup:
     
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    Some of the original Gordon Setters were black, white and tan tri-colours - I wonder if this colour stll exists within the breed?
     
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    oh wow, ive never seen a red Gordon Setter,

    'mon the Scots breeds lol :thumbup:
     
  14. leashedForLife

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    1885 painting -
    James Hardy Jr. - Pointer & Irish Setter and Gordon Setter - 1885 by James Hardy Jr. in Gordon Setter Canine Fine Art Dog Gifts Giftware Portraits Prints & Canvas Painting Reproductions
    Irish Setter to left - note a blaze splits her face + a ticked white foreface;
    Gordon in the rear; liver + white Pointer on right;
    the days bag (take) in the extreme right: a hare, mallard, partridge, woodcock and a ? snipe? -
    the black-green bird with a red dash on a small head is a capercaillie.

    James Hardy - Waiting For Master - Setters by James Hardy Jr. in James Hardy Canine & Dog Fine Art Paintings Engravings & Prints
    the same Irish-bitch, or a very similar one; she appears to be coupled to the M-Gordon;
    the English Setter is lying to the right.

    1881 - James Hardy Jr. - The End of the Day With English and Gordon Setters 1881 by James Hardy Jr. in English Setter Canine Fine Art Dog Gifts Giftware Portraits Prints & Canvas Painting Reproductions
    English to the rear, Gordon before, lots of game... and what appears to be a New Forest pony.

    James Hardy Jr. - Loading Up 1877 - Original Size 29x44 by James Hardy Jr. in James Hardy Canine & Dog Fine Art Paintings Engravings & Prints
    a finer pony, maybe a Welsh - black bay, white sox, white star;
    English Pointer + Setter, + a Gordon.

    James Hardy Jr. - A Good Days Hunting 1883 - Approximate Original Size - 14x12 - Sporting Equine Canine Paintings Prints Art Artist by James Hardy Jr. in James Hardy Canine & Dog Fine Art Paintings Engravings & Prints
    a different Irish Setter, still with a speckled blaze, but a small nose-ring rather than a ticked white foreface;
    and a handsome Gordon in standard B+T


    i can only see 2 dogs here, despite the title -
    James Hardy Jr. - Gordon English and Red and White Setters - The Days Catch 1883 - Approximate Original Size - 12x17 - Sporting Equine Canine Paintings Prints Art Artist by James Hardy Jr. in English Setter Canine Fine Art Dog Gifts Giftware Portrait
     
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