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Discussion in 'Cat Health and Nutrition' started by LisaLQ, Jun 8, 2010.


  1. LisaLQ

    LisaLQ PetForums Senior

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    Hi folks. Been a long time since I've been here, things have been pretty tough lately. Sadly Blu our dane passed away a few weeks ago, it was a huge shock and we're still reeling from it. I know that's nothing to do with cats, but whilst we were (are) grieving, we needed to keep occupied - and as I'm still not too good on my feet, we decided not to adopt another dog. Two female cats came into a local rescue, and it was like they were meant to be - and so they have joined us (I shall post lots of piccies as soon as I'm done here!). We're currently feeding them Jollye's Lifestages dried food, and Hi-Life 60% pouches. However, I'm wanting to do whatever's best for them, and researching into it is keeping my me occupied and grieving less.

    I'm on a low income, so price is very important, and also reliability (eg we would order the more specialised foods off Zooplus but they have a habit of cancelling some brands and starting new ones). I'd prefer a dried and wet combo, but if wet is best I'm happy to change - although again price is important so I wouldn't want to give them something that required 4+ pouches a day! I dont have a huge amount of freezer space, so cant go completely raw, but intend to give them chicken wings or similar once or twice a week.

    Both cats are girls, spayed, aged 3 (Luna - mum) and 2 (Wicca - daughter). Indoor cats, previously outdoors but not with us.

    For comparison, here's the ingredients of the Jollye's food (they get about 40g a day):

    Poultry meat meal (min 26%), white rice (min 26%), maize, refined chicken fat, beet pulp, brewers yeast, cellulose, egg powder, fish oil, salt, glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM, cranberry, minerals, vitamins.

    I dont think that's too bad - but you are the experts so recommendations greatly appreciated...
     
  2. Tobacat

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    I can't comment on their nutritional value and you'll have to check on prices, but you may find my thread and poll further on down useful - Which wet foods do you feed your cats?
     
  3. hobbs2004

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    What type of wet do your cats eat? Are the unfussy and eat pate food? If they do that gives them a greater variety to draw on.

    I can send you a list of foods that have a good meat content and are not too pricey.

    I must say i don't agree with you and zooplus. They seem to add to their stock rather than take away. What foods did you try that they then withdrew?
     
  4. LisaLQ

    LisaLQ PetForums Senior

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    It was some of their dog foods - not their cat ones, usually the lesser heard of ones. I've known a couple of people have that problem, not me directly, but genuine. My sister finally got her dog settled on a certain hypoallergenic food (the only one at the time on their site that had no grains), and they cancelled it, then brought it back at a higher price. I'd dread to get my pet settled on something for them to do that to me. I'm not ruling them out - far from it - I've bought from them before, but I wouldn't be too keen to jump onto a brand I'd not heard of before unless they've been stocking it for years. And I dont know which they have been stocking that long, as these are my first cats in a long time.

    Wet food is Hi-Life 60%. They dont like Nature's Menu, which was no big deal as I found out it has sugar in it (it was recommended to me so didnt read the pack in the shop).

    They're sharing a pouch a day, with dried food. They eat very little food, presumably as they're used to hunting for it, they were on Netto's own brand food with their previous owner, so the change in their coat since joining us is pretty remarkable.

    I know they say "if it aint broke, dont fix it", but I know very very little about cat nutrition, and am very keen to get them settled on the best food I can afford.
     
  5. LisaLQ

    LisaLQ PetForums Senior

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    Just to add - they prefer their wet food to be fish, although I couldn't get the fish Hi-Life today so we'll see how they go on the meat one instead!

    They only joined us on the 18th May, so it's all very new - so far fish is eaten much more quickly and thoroughly.
     
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    Sorcha PetForums Senior

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    So sorry to hear about your Blu passing away.

    About Zooplus and them discontinuing brands, that has only happened once with cat food as far as I know during the 6 years I've been buying from them, so I think you're safe. I think Bozita is a good wet food to give your cats and I've been feeding my only non raw eater food from Pet's kitchen and Lily's kitchen.
    They are a bit more expensive maybe, but not too much, since you don't have to feed them loads of it. They're not sold by Zooplus though, but they have their own websites.
    Most of my cats liked Grau and that's on sale now at Zooplus. 24 200 gram cans for 22 pounds.
     
  7. hobbs2004

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    Here are some that I had pulled together for a different thread. The list tells you how much meat is in it and where you can typically buy them. They are complete wet foods that don't break the bank.

    - Bozita - 93% meat content in their tetrapacks and available to order online from seapets, e and r, and zooplus. (about 4% fat). Bozita also do a tinned version, which is a pate that has 97% meat and 5% fat
    - Purely has got a meat content of 50% I believe and is available from Pets at home. About 2% fat
    - Natures Menu has a 70% meat content, and is available from Pets at home too as well as other places. About 6% fat
    - Feline Fayre is often fed by people here - the black pouches are complete- available in Asda, Morrisons etc (about 2% fat)
    - HiLife - also has a good meat content - varies from 45% to 70% depending on type. About 2% fat
    - Tesco also do a wet food that has a high meat content - I believe it is called Tesco Luxury 49% and Tesco Finest 49% +. The meat versions of Tesco Just Nature contain 60% meat.
    - Porta 21 - tends to be whole meat tuna (46%) and the rest broth; very low fat 0.5%; available from zooplus. Porta is a bit like complementary food in terms of its texture but it is a complete food. Just low on fat. You could add some goose fat to fatten it up a bit.

    There are also these, which are in consistency like applaws and co:
    Zooplus also do Schmusy - which is pure meat in jelly. They do Vollwertflakes, which is 80% meat and animal byproducts, and some rice in pouches (though it may not be a full 100% of chicken that makes up the 80% meat (if that makes sense). They do a just chicken one for that. 20 pouches are £8.90 (£0.44 for 100g). This is also a complete food.

    There is also Cosma Original - that comes in a 85g tin and is shredded meat like applaws also in broth and a little rice. 45% meat. Like applaws it is not a complete food, but since you are feeding dry that is less of an issue. 6 tins of cosma is £3.99 on zooplus (£0.78 for 100 g).

    Zooplus also sells Schesir - again shredded meat in broth, with a great selection of chicken flavours (pure chicken, with surimi, with ham - not sure whether they would eat that). Comes in 85 g tins and 6 are £4.79 - so not cheaper than applaws. About 60% meat but like applaws and co light on fat (£0.94 for 100g).

    Generally, the greatest wet food is pate food. If your cat eats pate, then you could try these:
    - Pet's Kitchen (Joe & Jills) - 90% meat content, about 8 - 10% fat - available from them directly - Pets Kitchen - Experts in natural pet food, developed by Joe Inglis TV Vet
    - Lily's Kitchen - 65% organic meat; 5.5% fat - available from them directly: www.lilyskitchen.co.uk/
    -Grau - 89% meat content and 4% wholegrain rice; 5.5% fat - available from zooplus. You need only 200g per cat as it such high grade meat
    - Herrmanns - 97% organic meat, about 4-6% fat - available at zooplus but pricey but only need 1 pouch per day
    And there is Ziwi Peak! New to the UK market- based on raw principles with a meat content of 62% min. Only need one 180g tin per cat a day. www.bernpetfoods.co.uk/acatalog/ZiwiPeak_Daily_Cat_Cuisine.html
    The venison contains - Meat (min 26%), Liver, Tripe, Heart and Kidney (min 18%); Hoki Fish (min 14%); Green-lipped and Blue Mussel (min 4%); Carrageenan; Guar Gum; Flaxseed Oil; Sodium Tripolyphosphate; Minerals; Vitamins; Taurine.
     
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  8. Colette

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    If your cats will eat pate then it might be worth trying Smilla - it looks good on paper (thanks Hobbs and co for verifying) and works out incredibly cheap - if I switched my boys onto just Smilla I would only be paying half what I am now.
    Both the poulty and fish varieties are complete too.

    Mine should have arrived now, so will let people know how we get on with it.
     
  9. LisaLQ

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    The Smilla does look very nice (erm, for the cats that is LOL), but I doubt I could get them to eat the amount they have in their feeding guidelines. I struggle to get mine to eat half an 80g sachet with a handful of biscuits a day. A tin would last us 4 days, they'd never eat enough.

    The Porta 21 was a dried food I was thinking about getting - does anyone have any idea how much meat is in it? It's grain free, and cheap for a grain free, so I'm assuming the meat content must be really naff, or is it really as good as it sounds?

    The Feline Fayre that I found in the supermarket is something I used to get for the rats, until I realised it had glucose in it. As a diabetic, I know that is not a good thing. Same with Nature's Menu - and they dont like it anyway.

    Hi-Life is what they're on now.

    Bozita - packs are a bit big - as are the portions. But a possible.

    Purely - no P@H locally.

    Schmusy fish looks ok, doesn't matter that it's not complete as they're on biscuits too. Not keen on "meat and animal byproducts". Prefer to know which bits they're getting lol.

    Cosma - I'd have to ask them what's in the stock. Makes me think "salt, and lots of it". Again, 2-3 tins a day aint going to happen with my girls.

    Schesir looks good too, but it's twice the price of the HiLife, and not really much difference.

    Pet's Kitchen - very possibly worth a try - ingredients good, price not bad when you work out how little they need. Might give this a go! At least the wet food, not sure about the dry.

    Grau - by products again.

    Hermann's - one I was looking at too - looks very good, shame they dont have as much option as in their dog food, and yikes at the price but I'm not ruling it out!

    Phew - I sound so picky now! Anyhoo - info on the best dried food to give them mixed with their meat would be great too. I like the look of Porta 21 grain free, Acana's another possible, Taste of the Wild too - all off Zooplus.

    Also - I'm not aversed to feeding raw treats, so for those of us who feed a ready made cat food (dry and wet) who want to give some raw as well - how's the best way to go (chicken wings once or twice a week?).
     
  10. hobbs2004

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    Porta 21 i have only tried the wet. I think if you are willing to try acana, then also look at orijen and ziwi peak (from bern pet foods: http://www.bernpetfoods.co.uk/acatalog/ZiwiPeak_Daily_Cat_Cuisine.html). At first sight it seems expensive (£8 pounds per bag) but it contains 8 daily portions of food (so £1 a day per cat). Ingredients: Venison - Meat (min. 57.7%), Hoki Fish (min. 12%), Venison - Liver (min. 9%), Tripe, Heart and Kidney (min. 7%), Chicory Syrup, Green-lipped and Blue Mussel (min. 4%), Fish Oil, Lecithin, Kelp, Vitamins and Minerals. Naturally preserved with mixed tocopherols. Additives: Vit. D3, Vit. E, Copper.

    Most of the pate foods may appear to be more pricey but when you look at feeding guidelines then it suddenly it is all brought back into perspective.

    Herrmanns you only need one pouch off a day.

    I personally rate grau highly (despite the 4% wholegrain rice). Re grau - they do declare their ingredients: beef beef heart (34 %), beef liver (27 %), other offal from beef (24 %), wholemeal rice (4 %), Kalzium 0,3 %, Phosphor 0,25 %, Kalium 0,2 %, Natrium 0,1 %, Chlorid 0,17 %, Magnesium 0,017 %.

    If you really want excellent wet food with fully declared ingredients and no crap, then I can recommend two german wet foods: TigerCat and Petnatur - each about 98% meat. They are about 1.75 euro per 400g tin and you need to feed half a can per cat per day (as sole food). Another good food, which includes some veg and some millet, is pfotenliebe.

    You could have chicken wings a couple of times a week instead of a commercial meal or you could have lamb, quail, rabbit - whatever takes your fancy. All fines if you feed less than 20% of the weekly meals as raw (don't need to worry about that food being completely balanced then).
     
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  11. Tje

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    I had this problem too… just freeze the remaining food in. You can either put it in very small plastic freezer containers or wrap it like a meat-ball in cling film.
     
  12. LisaLQ

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    Thanks for the suggestions - didnt think of freezing it. I still worry about whether they'd eat enough of it to get everything they need, but considering they're only eating half a pouch of Hi-Life with a handful of biscuits, instead of the 3-4 pouches it recommends (on it's own), I dont think that'd make that much difference - so maybe it's worth a go.

    On the chicken Hi-Life front, started it last night, Wicca loves it, Luna's bowl was empty this morning but I think Wicca may have played a part in that, as Luna eats very little. These cats are harder to feed than dogs - at least dogs stick to their own bowl and eat it all in one go, or can be trained to! :lol:
     
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    just to add about the hilife - did you know in wilkinsons they do 4 pouches of hilife essentials (which is 50% meat) for £1.
    I found this excellent value as that means you get 12 for £3.
     
  14. LisaLQ

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    Wow - that's really good, wish we had a Wilcos in Keighley, we do have one about half an hour away on the bus in Shipley, will definitely pick some up if I'm ever over that way. Thanks for the heads up!
     
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    That Smilla looks excellent :eek: the price is awesome too!

    Does anyone use this, do your cat's like it?

    Paticularly keen on the looks of the tuna one, my girl loves tuna so this would be great!:

     
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    do your cats like the heavy (dense) pate type cat foods Aurelia??? I would say it is very similar in smell and consitency to the likes of Grau and Almo Nature Bio Pate. Mine aren't that struck on those heavy pates... but they prefer Smilla to Grau. If you want me to open a tin and make some pics of it.. gimme a holler. I must admit though, I do like it and wish my cats would like it more. lol
     
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    Rilly will eat anything :lol: She is not picky. I just hope Tinks and Itty will be the same! She has no problems with the Tesco's pate, so should be fine.

    I can't get over the good price of that. It works out at about 44p a day per cat. Which is more than half of the cost (compared to some it's not even 1/4 of the cost! )while feeding other high meat content foods.
     
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    Yeah hobbs, I'm just looking t it on Zooplus now!

    I think I would go with half a tin each every day, plus a few dry bits & treats. I'd like it to be all wet, but Rilly does like her munchies!

    Is the Smilla dry just as good?
     
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