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Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by luxanne9, Sep 13, 2021.


  1. luxanne9

    luxanne9 PetForums Newbie

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    Hello everyone, I have a six months female samoyed and from the beginning she was hard work. I used positive training and done everything with nothing in life is free, sit before feeding, giving a toy etc. She is over excited, reactive and a nervous dog. I've exercised her, she runs in the fenced park and I've played fetch, played hide and seek, put a towel to find treats but still she can't calm down. Walking her is awful, now I have sciatica and really don't know what to do because her reactions toward everything is abnormal she jumps during walks from left to right and backwards, if I change direction she pulls even more, If I stand she whines and barks and she can't settle down, nothing is working. For three months I didn't allow her to jump on people when walking on a leash, and she still does that to strangers who does not even look at her and I had awful argument with a man because she just jumped on him and scratch him and I really understand that man. She is rude towards other dogs which result in other dogs growling at her but after that she still continues to lunge at them and barks. I socialized her with some dogs from my friends but it still seems that she is afraid of other dogs but still lunges and stares and tries to do everything to come to the other dog. I potty trained her with treats, we have a yard where she can pee and she peed in the house yesterday even the door was open. She sleeps in the house with me I love her but I don't know what to do. From my perspective she is not a loyal dog, I think if I would let her to go to any stranger she will follow him regardless of me of any treat. Any advice is appreciated.
     
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    NILIF is not really one of the more positive methods of training. It's very restrictive, and I think for some dogs to confusing and conflicting to be beneficial. When everything is so regimented, the dog never gets an opportunity to develop *self* control and then when there is the slightest opportunity for 'freedom' they tend to lose it.

    Over exercising and trying to wear them out to calm them down can back-fire too. You end up with a very fit, overstimulated dog who can't calm down.

    At six months your dog is still very much growing in to herself and maturing mentally and socially. A lot of what you describe is fairly normal behavior for a 6 month old pup.

    Have you considered professional help? If you can share your general location there are members who can recommend a good trainer in your area.
     
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    Ian246 PetForums VIP

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    Absolutely agree with O2.0 - I think you're expecting too much from a six month old puppy. There seems to be a lot going on here and it's too complex to unpick, I suspect, within a forum like this - so a good trainer (who uses positive methods and doesn't start talking about dominance or pack theory) might be a good idea.
    By the way, palying fetch with a 6 month old puppy is not advisable - her bone structure is not matured enough (Google 'puppy growth plates' if you want to know more) and sudden changes of direction, often associated with 'fetch' games can lead to problems later in life (as can too much walking). Fundamentally, it does seem to me as well, that your puppy is just doing too much and is finding it difficult to settle down, having got 'over-stimulated'.
     
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    luxanne9 PetForums Newbie

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    Yes I understand that program nilif maybe was not working and I changed it recently, put the toys in one basket which she can freely choose, change feeding habits, I have also fed her from my hand, cuddled her gently. The thing is if i don't take her for a walk or have her run a bit she goes mental at home, eats her poo, dirt, stones, cactuses, acorns even if I redirect her with toys she still does that and now hides while doing that. I've never hit her I say no, no but still she does things that can hurt her health. I've also bought vitamins to ensure that she has everything and she still tries to eat stones. I've also mentioned that I mentally stimulated her with finding treats, sniffing games, gave her a kong toy and still nothing is working.
    I have changed the lengts of walks, looked at a watch sometimes 10 minutes, 20 minutes, sometimes 30 minutes I am not overexercising her because they say the rule is five minutes per month and still she is overstimulated and reactive to everything. I've asked for advice from a professional trainer he saw her and said that she is an anxious dog, overexcited and that I will need to put a prong collar. I understand that maybe I expect too much from a six monts pup, I got her when she was 55 days old, but I have a real back problem now which was caused by her uncontrollable walk on a leash, her lugging in every direction and I am concerned because she jumps on people that don't like that and also one time jumped when I was trying to walk her on a loose leash and a car passed by If I didn't react instantly she could be hit. Every time I rewarded peeing and pooping outside with a treat and she still pees indoors even when the door is open and she has a chance to do it outside. I really don't know what to do, maybe I am not the best owner for this puppy.
     
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    Ian246 PetForums VIP

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    Don't put any dog on a prong collar - but definitely NOT a 6 month old puppy! I don't know where you found that trainer but you need to go elsewhere - a prong collar (horrible in any case) is certainly not going to resolve anxiety!!!
    It sounds like you're trying too many options for each 'problem' - decide which approach you want to take and then stick with it; these things take time. Consistency is the key. Samoyeds were bred to haul sledges (like huskies) and to herd, so she is likely to be intelligent and she is bred to pull! Trying to train that pulling out of her is going to be a challenge - but not impossible. As far as:
    Eating her poo - easy, pick it up and dispose of it before she gets to it! You need to try and stop it before it becomes a habit you cannot break.
    Eating dirt and stones, cactuses, acorns - keep her on a lead, then you can keep better control of her and - perhaps - keep er away from such things. You need to supervise her - she's a puppy still and you can only train her by focusing on her. In fact, keep her on a lead when you're exercising her; keep er away from other people and other dogs so she cannot jump up - the more she does it, the more she will want to do it.​
    If she's not safe near the road, avoid walking her near the road as far as possible - go to a park, or somewhere quieter.
    With regard to toilet training, you say you rewarded her for peeing and pooping outside, but did you reward her immediately she did it (ie, you were stood right beside her)? Did you give her lots of praise so she sknows she's done a 'good' thing (ideally, you give her the impresion it's the best tthing you've ever seen)? When she did go outside, had you taken her outside, or did she just happen to wander out while the door was open? At 6 months old she is not necessarily tustworthy regarding toileting - she might be, but she might not; it depends how successful YOUR training has been. Clearly,she is not yet toilet trained and just leaving the door open is not going to encouareg her to go outside - she'll just go wherever she needs to.
    Saying "no, no" is pointless - "no" is just a sound to her - it means nothing to her. If I started shouting "hayir" at you, what would you do? Well, it's Turkish for "no"; you may as well shout that at your dog as "no". 'No' is a very difficult concept - it makes no sense to a dog. You really need to train her to do what you want (on command) - get her to sit or lie down if she's in a situation where she might jump up (it's hard to jump up when she's sitting or lieing), or distract her. I know you ay that doesn't work, but that's lilkely because the other things she wants to do are more interesting than the toys or treats you're offering. I gather Samoyed's can be strong-willed, so it's never going to be easy. You say you let her pick a toy out of a basket - so what toy are you offering as a distraction? If it's one she has easy access to normally, it isn't 'special' and jumping up - getting a reaction from people (including you) - or eating stones is probably more fun! You need a toy she absolutely loves and that is BETTER than the thing she's doing right now.
    It sounds like the socialisation did not work very well and she may be reactive to other dogs - socialisation often takes rather more than just introducing the puppy to a few dogs owned by friends. You will have to manage that.
    Finally: Why did you buy vitamins? Are you not feeding her a balanced diet? If she's getting a balanced diet and has no health issues requiring additional supplements (and the vet would need to tell you that), there is simply no need to add extra vitamins. She certainly isn't getting vitamins from stones, so giving her extra is not going to stop her eating stones - nor will the inevitable surgery when she swallows one she cannot pass and ends up at the vets needing an operation!

    Overall, as has been said already, you really need to find a good trainer - one who does NOT talk about dominance, pack theory, etc - and who DOES NOT advocate prong collars (or electric collars)! :Banghead To be honest, it sounds like you are in above your head right now and you need help to properly train this dog - as she gets bigger and stronger your problems controlling her are not going to get any easier unless you can train her properly and get some control over her.
     
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    luxanne9 PetForums Newbie

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    Trainer told me that in time I won't be able to control her but I didn't buy those kind of collars. Yes I have picked up poo and cleaned it and she now poops in other hidden places in the house in order to eat that poo.Yes, on a lead I watch carefully but in the yard there was some stones and dirt, ground of course. When I see other people or dogs now I cross the street or walk in opposite direction I even tried to refocus her when I see a dog from a long distance I gave her toys and treats but it didn't work she just freezes, and stares at a dog,and not interested in meat treats, banans or chicken. I tried to tell her to sit outside from overexcitement it can't be done she just whines and shakes her head strangely.
    Yes when she came to the house I was taking her outside many times a day at the beginning to pee or poo , praised immediately, gave her a treat or a cuddle.When I told her no and redirected her with a toy or something else. I have kong toys, chewing toys and balls where she needs to get the treat out, I even made some kind of a box where she needs to find a way to take treats also.
    I bought vitamins because I thought that maybe she needs more calcium because she is eating stones, I've consulted with a vet worker in the store, these vitamins are healthy and also for nice fur and immune system, I am feeding her three times a day with royal canin food so I thought it can't do no harm. Okay, thank you very much for your replies I will try to find a good trainer.
     
  7. Ian246

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    What is your reaction when she goes to the toilet in the house? You need to make no reaction at all - just clean it up quietly. Remember: it’s not her fault, she doesn’t know where she should go. It’s your fault for not training her. ;)
    The danger is if you tell her off (if even your body language shows your angry) she will then try to find places where you can’t see her going. I have heard as well that dogs will some times ‘clear up’ after themselves by eating the faeces so that they don’t get told off - although, to me, this takes a level of association and reaction that is beyond most dogs. Either way, don’t tell her off.
    How, actually (in detail) have you been toilet training your puppy?
    Back to the vitamins: sure, they’re good for ‘nice fur’ but her fur won’t get nicer the more vitamins she gets! If she’s getting a good, balanced diet, she is getting sufficient vitamins and does not need supplements. Save your money and spend it on that trainer.:)
     
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