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I am off work due to a sinus and chest infection, my tv has broke, so only one thing left to do indulge myself looking at snowshoe kittens :D

Question is what is meant by foundation, 1st generation etc as seen some that are even 5th generation...??

Thanks in advance for any answers..
 

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Foundation breeds are those used to create the new bloodline of a hybrid breed - in this case say a Siamese and an American Shorthair. That gives you your first generation Snowshoe. If you then breed two 1st gens together you get a litter of 2nd gens and so on. More often, although you'd prefer to work sytematically down the generations mating 1st with 1st and 2nd with 2nd etc. through necessity you may mate different generations, say a 1st gen and a 3rd gen. In that case the kittens would be 2nd gen. To work out what generation the kittens are you take the lowest generation parent and add one.
 

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Foundation breeds are those used to create the new bloodline of a hybrid breed - in this case say a Siamese and an American Shorthair. That gives you your first generation Snowshoe. If you then breed two 1st gens together you get a litter of 2nd gens and so on. More often, although you'd prefer to work sytematically down the generations mating 1st with 1st and 2nd with 2nd etc. through necessity you may mate different generations, say a 1st gen and a 3rd gen. In that case the kittens would be 2nd gen. To work out what generation the kittens are you take the lowest generation parent and add one.
Thanks that makes sense to me now..
 

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As above, except at the moment we call a Snowshoe crossed with a permitted outcross breed a first generation (so Snowshoe x Siam is 1st generation) and a cross of two permitted outcross breeds is a foundation (so Siamese x BSH is zero generation).

The Snowshoe can be shown from 4th generation and above (at the moment) so you have to wait until a 1st generation's great, great grandkittens before they can be shown. The registration paperwork will clearly show whether the kitten can be shown as they will be reference register and it is marked on it. The Pedigree papers with registration numbers shows the generation status as if a cat is another breed code than 83 then they're offspring will be first generation.

If you are not bothered about showing the early generation cats are lovely pets. Clearly the type gets truer as you go up the generations but temperament is part of our breed standard and the outcross kitten I have had have been fantastic.

Hope you feel better soon :)
 

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a cross of two permitted outcross breeds is a foundation (so Siamese x BSH is zero generation).
Wow! I had no idea there was a breed where you had to start by deliberately creating your F0. That's dedication.

Nicolaa123, ignore me, I was talking rubbish where this particular breed is concerned.
 

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I'm sorry, I seem to have misunderstood you, of course I am not suggesting that you have to cross a Siamese to BSH. I read you to say that the cross of Siamese to American Shorthair creates a first generation Snowshoe. My understanding of the current Registration Policy is that a Snowshoe crossed to an permitted outcross cat is a first generation Snowshoe.

I don't have the benefit of 30 years plus of experience and am learning as I go. The policies take some deciphering but I am confident in my understanding of my own breeds policy. Maybe the terms I used are colloquialisms

By "as above" I intended to indicate my agreement with what you had written, I'm sorry if you took my post to read as a correction of yours, it was not intended to correct you and I now see how I have must have misread you.

I have always respected your experience and advise and had no intention to offend you, so my apologies if I have done so.
 

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I wasn't offended in any way - honestly surprised and impressed. I know nothing of Snowshoes. I've worked with other hybrid breeds and getting to F4 for the bench is painstaking enough when we start with creating F1s. With Snowshoes you have to start a step back from that which does require dedication. I did give misinformation through ignorance and the enquirer should ignore me in favour of some who has the specialised knowledge :)
 

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No you are right, I read it as examples myself now.

I love the Snowshoes, they are my passion but you do need masses of cash, masses of enthusiasm and masses of support from others who share your aims. I am years from getting an outcross as far as the show bench and I am very quickly learning that working with type, temperament and pattern is like juggling with treacle!!

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Gosh! I never realised how much work went into breeding, lot of what you both have said has gone over my head.... Guess I just look at the end results..:D:D

Btw, you should post the photo from fb with all the cats on someone's lap and legs....quite possibly my favourite one!
 
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