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Puppy wouldnt go back to sleep after pee during the night

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Viragpalanta, Nov 21, 2019.


  1. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    Hi !
    Im looking to get some advice ... again

    we have a 9,5 weeks old puppy who we have for two weeks now.
    She has a playpen in the living room with her crate attached to it and she is in there whenever we cant supervise her - just to keep her and everything else safe in the house.

    Initially we wanted her to sleep in here and we tried it for the first three night but it turned into a disaster (1st night she slept through, 2nd night i had to go down and sleep next to the playpen on the floor as she was up in every hour whining, 3rd night she woke up at 11 pood and smeared poop all over her playpen area, and i ended up sleeping on the couch). After this we were told that she is just too young and missing her litter mates and mum too much and that we should move her crate next to our bed which we did. We built a small area from a cardboard box which we attached to her crate with puppy pads so she can come out and pee whenever its needed.
    We normally go to bed at 10. So her dinner is due between 6-7, and after that its playtime until we all go to bed, however she is normally up 4-5x a night, she comes out for a pee and then we need to escort her back to her bed. Yesterday night she got up at 5:15 and just would settle back so i picked her out of the box and put her next to me and she settled down straight away (i know i probably shouldnt have but i was exhausted)

    Is this every going to be better? anybody has any advice? Should we close the crate door everytime she is in and physically let her out for a pee? Or shall we just give up on the whole crate thing and let her sleep with us?

    Thank you all in advance!
     
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  2. DanWalkersmum

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    Why shouldn't you put her nest to you - that's obviously what she needed?
    Hello I'm not an expert - Dan's just over a year old now and he's our first dog so I can only judge by what worked for us.
    We took it in turns to sleep downstairs with him, he was used to puppy pads so we put them down by the back door in the kitchen, 3 or 4 to start with and reducing down until he stopped needing them. We left the kitchen door open so he could go when he needed to, which seemed to work. We created a makeshift barrier so he was limited to a smaller area in the living room (using the crate - he hated the crate) Most nights he just settled down to sleep on the floor by the sofa, if he cried I picked him up and he would settle and we'd wake to find he had gone on the pads in the night. He did have a couple of accidents, as you would expect.
    I believe that having him close at night made him feel secure and so it was worth the short term discomfort.
    Eventually we agreed it couldn't go on, we were sleep deprived, and took him to bed with us, he settled that first night and slept through, we had to get up early to let him out but straight back to bed and back to sleep for a few more hours most days. Puppies do need loads of sleep. Sure we've had some nights where he just wouldn't settle for whatever reason, it's not a "one size fits all" with puppies, what works for one might not for another. The poop is just something that takes a bit of time for the pup to be able to control, that will come together eventually as and when the pup matures.
    Somehow we have got through the first year now he sleeps through the night sometimes on the bed, sometimes on the floor by the bed on my dressing gown - never in the many beds we have bought for him! Oh and we folded the crate down, it was worth a try but not for us or our dog.
    Apologies for the long post.
     
  3. Blitz

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    She really should not be needing to pee that often in the night. I am not really one for getting up in the night and letting her out but I think you might be better to take her outside at least once and leave her shut in the crate the rest of the night. Maybe go to bed a bit later for a while. When I have a pup I am lucky that my husband is happy to stay up till midnight and I get up at 6 for a week or two. It does not usually take long for them to be clean at night. I had never crated a pup until my current two and accidents at night were very rare. They managed their 6 hours with no problems. I think you have to get in a better routine and you choose when to take her out - before she needs to. If you want her sleeping with you permanently then by all means have her on the bed so long as you are light enough sleeper that you wake as soon as she moves. You do not want her peeing on the bed and neither do you want her falling off and hurting herself.

    I really would not use puppy pads. It is confusing for the dog. Far better to quietly take her out, let her have a pee then back to bed without any excitement.
     
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  4. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    The problem is that our bedroom is upstairs so taking her down every night would cause more distraction than one would want. I would literally need to get all the lights up carry her down, through the kitchen out and then back again.

    do you think 4-5 times a night is too much? I noticed that she has been licking her lady part rather often but the vet said 1.5 weeks ago that she seems fine. We’ll have our next catch up on monday so i might ask her whether she has a uti infection or something

    i really want to crate train her because i think its good for doggies to have a secure dent(second home) when alone, but she just seem to be way much more happy cuddling with us than sleeping the the crate alone.
     
  5. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    so does your doggo ever stays home alone?
    We wanted to crate train her to prevent separation anxiety and help with potty training but am just not sure if its for her
     
  6. DanWalkersmum

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    No we have never left him home alone, we are both retired so he either comes with us or one of us stays home.
    So if you need to leave your dog home alone at times I can see why you would need a crate.
    You have only had her for a couple of weeks though and it takes quite a while longer for them to settle into a routine so you will need loads of patience and time, but you will get there. ;) If I remember right it's around now that the puppy blues starts to kick in? A bit like post natal depression so be prepared it's quite normal! You could also check out the puppy support thread it is worth a read you may find help on there.
     
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    I like Blitz's idea of one of you staying up late and the other getting up early though, I can see how that would work well.
     
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    I would also try feeding the last meal much later, so she hopefully can go till next morning without needing to poo, and so she goes to bed on a full stomach and will settle better.

    I assume she’s on three, maybe four, meals a day.

    I’ve just read in your post that she’s still only nine and a half weeks old, so you got her at seven and a half weeks old; which is a barely acceptable age for a puppy to leave the litter, so maybe cut her a bit of slack because she has extra reason to be stressed or confused.
     
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  9. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    Yes i will try to stay up till midnight and see if we can get her to sleep for a bit longer!
     
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    I do think it takes a few weeks to get pups into routine, I have mine in with me and have had no issues with separation anxiety I didn't use a crate in the night but a safe area when I went out in the day.

    I wouldn't be expecting a pup to need the toilet that much at night I would get her checked out.
     
  11. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    She was 7weeks and 5days old. Got her on friday night and she was 8weeks old on the sunday. So it might have been a bit early for her.
    I will try the late night approach to see if it helps!
     
  12. Dog Walker Woman

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    Don't worry !
    She is just a baby and missing mum and litter mates to cuddle up with.
    Like Boxer123, I have always had my pups sleep with me when they first arrive, that way we both got a better night sleep and I usually only had to get up once in the night for toilet outing.
    My pups became more secure in their new home, and adjusted on their own to sleeping on their own bed, floor or wherever after a few weeks or so.
    Never had a problem with separation anxiety.
     
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  13. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    So you wd recommend to take her out of the crate and have her sleep with us? I thought that would break the little routine she picked up already? i might have misunderstood it though!
     
  14. Dog Walker Woman

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    I found mine cried and wouldn't settle in the crate at night,when I first had them so it was the best option for us both to get some sleep.
    You could try it and see, maybe she wouldn't be up so many times in the night.
    It doesn't sound like either of you are happy with your present routine so I don't think that should be a problem.
     
  15. Darkangelwitch

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    When we got Rizzle although she was already 4 months old I had to go back to basics as she had no routines set by her previous home.

    For the first week I slept downstairs on the sofa with Rizzle in her crate next to me so she could see me and I could put my fingers through to comfort her. Made it easier to take her out for night time absolutions too. By night 7 she was going all night without having to go out.

    Week two her crate was moved upstairs next to my bed so she could still see me and I could still touch her for comfort if necessary. She stayed in her crate for another two weeks by the bed, it was then moved to near the door and eventually we just left the crate door open for her to choose to either sleep in there or with us.

    She settles quickly at night now on the corner of my bed, never bothers me until she knows I am awake.
     
  16. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    I think it might be better with her once she is a bit older as well.

    i think i probably need to give her some time, she is still only 10weeks old. i will keeo having her in her crate and just keep escorting her back to her place when she is up for a pee. Hopefully she will get used to this and once she can sleep through the night it will be easier
     
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  17. Viragpalanta

    Viragpalanta PetForums Junior

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    I think am just worried about her peeing in bed if we dont wake up when she needs to go. Thats also the reason why we didnt want her to be in bed till she is toilet trained
     
  18. Dog Walker Woman

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    Never had a puppy pee in the bed, they naturally do not want to do this and will wake up and wimper so you can take them out out.
    The more comfort and reassurance you can give them at this age the more secure and used to routine they become.
    OK , not everyone wants a puppy in bed, sadly as that is where they feel the most warm and comforted, but if next to the bed you can comfort her with your hand til she falls asleep.
    Could she be cold ? That makes me pee more often so could be the same for her.
    Have you tried a wrapped hot water bottle for her. May need to refill at toilet outing to keep her warm.or you could use Snuggle Safe microwaveable cushion (safe for pets)
    My boy had some large teddies in his crate to snuggle with day times when left for a short while.
     
  19. DanWalkersmum

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    Just wondering which approach you are going to take and how it's going?
     
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    Sooooo
    I dont think she was cold she has a burrito bed so she could snuggle up inside of it. we have kept her in the crate in the last five days and she was getting on wonderfully. She got up once during the night peed and went straight back to bed
    HOWEVER im not sure what was going on yesterday night but she would not settle at all!!!! So i thought it might be a good idea to take some of your advices and have her next to me in bed, she did settle but she never really went to sleep - she was just turning and tossing and huffing and puffing, and i was also awake from 3 am onwards. I think its not something which would work for us tbh, but then lets see what tonight brings. i have btw checked and i dont think she peed all the four times, i think she just woke up and tried to chance it tbh.
    she is allowed to go outside from next Monday, im hoping that new smells and walkies will tire her out a bit more, because yesterday we played full on from 5:30-9!! Thats 3,5 hours running/chewing/training everything you can imagine - you would think that settles her down, but it didnt ‍♀️


    i guess it would be less stressful if she wouldnt want to chew everything and pee on the carpet constantly, but since thats not the case i just cant seem to rest with her next to me, because im always worried she climbs down and chokes on something (pee can be always cleaned am not that bothered about that)
     
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