puppy-socialization per pups + dogs, Vs risk of contagion; cost : benefit

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by leashedForLife, Dec 5, 2009.


  1. MyBIGdog

    MyBIGdog PetForums Member

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    As a veterinary nurse I get asked this frequently and I always recommend carrying your puppy around towns, busy places, meeting with vaccinated dogs in the home & car journeys etc till they have had their vacs. I would then tell them to start at a puppy socialisation course and continue on to an agility/obedience (or other type of training) when old enough to carry on with the training and socialisation.
    We are lucky at the practice I work at we run puppy classes for puppies that have had their first vac but are not yet old enough to go outside this is a great way for young puppies to socialise and you really do notice the difference when they are older. We do see a few dogs with 'aggressive behavioural problems' where the owners havnt socialised etc and they come in saying they are willing to try anything to not have the dog pts, but as soon as you tell the owners it will not happen overnight and they find out how much the behaviourist is or an alternative home they decide they have not got the time or the dog has actually bitten their child and needs to be put down and don't want the dog to live with anyone else. People infuriate me sometimes!!

    On a personal note with my own dogs my first was born and raised in a house with other dogs, children and other pets.

    The second born and raised in a kennel outside of the house with just her mum and siblings.

    I did the same with both carried them round, puppy classes etc until my bitch was 15wks old when she suffered a leg injury and had to be rested for 6wks I still carried on with our training classes.

    But my little bitch is not as outgoing and not great with other dogs. Obviously not being able to continue her socialisation has had a dramatic effect on her behaviour, but even before her accident the difference between the two dogs was noticeable - so I'm with socialisation :)
     
  2. Georgie beau

    Georgie beau PetForums Newbie

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    Hello all,
    I took my puppy out straight away after he had all his injections as I think it's great to socialize a puppy straight away, but I was also worried about parvovirus etc but I just made sure he didn't eat anything when out.
     
  3. leashedForLife

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    Exposure to Parvo-virus isn't usually by eating something; puppies & dogs sniff, & the nose is the usual
    route of exposure.

    Also, pups can STEP on contaminated surfaces [grass, soil, concrete with feces or vomit, etc], then later they
    may lick their paws, put their feet in their dish, & so on - but that's not as common.

    Dogs who are vaxed with a modified live-virus [MLV] booster wil excrete live-virus in their stool
    for up to 3-mos [90-days] post vaccine. The amount excreted is lower than that produced in a dog with an
    active infection, but it's sufficient to cause underage or feeble animals to sicken.

    If Ur vet offers the option, choose KILLED virus; if they don't, ask if they'd consider it. ;)

    Normally-healthy pups who are AT LEAST 8-WO are at very-low risk of serious illness, even if they
    catch Parvo; over 85% of pups who are 56-DO or more will survive Parvo with simple decent home-nursing,
    altho of course i am not suggesting anyone decide to treat their pup without the aid of a vet! - OTOH, pups who
    are 6-WO or under - any pup who's 42-DO or younger, are at Much-Higher Risk:
    over 85% of 6-WO or younger pups will die, DESPITE excellent vet-care.


    The risk isn't to pups who are 2-MO or older; it's to infant-pups who should still be in the nest, with Mom-dog.
    Reasonable precautions to limit an 8-WO pup's exposure to heavy dog-use areas is quite safe; there is no need
    to keep them only in the house, NEVER touch grass, avoid all dogs, etc. :yesnod: Really - just don't go to
    dog-parks, bike-paths covered with poop, & similar areas. Stick to low-density dog use areas, & avoid
    any toilet zones. :thumbup1:
     
  4. spamvicious

    spamvicious PetForums Senior

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    I will be getting my puppy at 8 weeks of age. She will be microchipped and have her first vaccination before I get her home. I'm a bit confused about socialising, I plan to take her out as much as I can before she gets her vaccs at 10 weeks however I'm confused as to what you do when they need the toilet?. If you're not supposed to put them on the ground etc while out?
     
  5. Burrowzig

    Burrowzig PetForums VIP

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    Take them to toilet in your garden before you go out carrying them, but if they do need to go when you're out, choose a clean piece of paved ground. You could carry some newspaper to put down on it for extra protection. Pup will have had first vac a few days before you get them (?) so should have some antibodies. Check with your vet for what levels of parvo, leptospirosis are like in your area.
     
  6. spamvicious

    spamvicious PetForums Senior

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    Ah great, thanks for this :)