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Puppy Farmers Or Byb

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by DoubleTrouble, Jul 20, 2009.


  1. Just curious - but what are your opinions of owners who breed say four or five different breeds! Do you place them in the same camp as BYB or puppy farmers?
    regards
    DT
     
  2. DevilDogz

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    I class them as BYB ! How can you try and improve that many breeds at once! We have one breed and its hard enough to do our up most best for them so how the hell can someones have that many breeds and try and improve them all!!

    I think breeders should just stick with there choosen breed and do their up most best to improve it!

    Also if you look most people that have 4/5 different breeds registered under their affix
    seem to always have a litter from one or more of their bitches!!
     
  3. Dundee

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    Yes, I don't think you can have enough breed specific knowledge of that many breeds to breed well. Two, maybe three breeds, particularly if they are from a similar group, but any more than three and they are just producing puppies.
     
  4. DevilDogz

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    I couldnt agree more!!! The more breeds they have the more puppies they get witch means the more money they get!!

    I would say 2 breeds is enough any more than that and i dont think very highly of you im afraid!!
    Just my views though :)
     
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    I would class them as a byb if their dogs lived in the house with them etc and they just bred off them whenever they was in season.
    If they kept loads of different breeds in kennels or whatever and always seem to have a litter from each breed then I would prob class as a puppy farmer.

    I would never buy from someone who breeds multiple breeds like that. I would want to make sure my puppy came from someone who was trying to improve the breed, and like DD says, how can you do this when you have loads of dogs? I would buy from someone who maybe had a few of my chosen breed (gsd).

    I would also be paranoid with someone breeding on a larger scale that they showed me false pedigrees/health checks for the parents- that happened to my cousin and at 18months her gsd was pts she could not walk, they had bred from dogs with bad hip scores and used certificates from other dogs.

    x
     
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    Surely it is expensive, demanding and bloody hard work to concentrate on breeding one breed let alone more :eek:
    Well i guess this is all providing that is done responsibly and for the good of the breed etc etc!

    I would never buy a puppy from a breeder who breeds muliple breeds. I would want my puppy to have the absolute best start in life. I don't understand how people who breed many breeds can possibly socialise and concentrate on one litter when there are other litters who also need constant care????

    Just my opinion
     
  7. DevilDogz

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    Yes its been know for people to use the wrong certificates witch imo is dam right sick!

    Some even say they have lost their dogs paper worker from heath checks, now its not something you loss is it!

    Imo any one that breeds more than two breeds are not in it for the right reasons!!
     
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    Lol!! I have just realised i have basically said the same as you x
     
  9. Even more annoying are the breeders who move from breed to breed imo!
    DT:rolleyes:
     
  10. The breeder who breed my eldest dog (a rescue) kept and breed two different breeds! I know with 100% certainty that a lot of his dogs went through breed specific rescue! I would never line the pockets of such a breeder willingly!
    DT
     
  11. Bethany

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    Imo which doesnt count for much, theyre no better than pet shops. Beth x
     
  12. DevilDogz

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    That really does get to me..We fell in love with chinese cresteds and got ours first two witch were pets (so never bred from)..They really took a place in ours heart and we decided after thinking long and hard that we would like to breed!
    Can you really feel that passionate about 5 and 6 different breeds!
    I really dont think you can! and if you look most of them are from different groups..So not even similar!
    Its just another way of chucking puppies out!
    I mean we wouldnt have the time to add another breed to ours home from showing and breeding puposes!

    How people that have 4/5 different breeds and breed from them all, can call them selves responsible breeders in totally beyond me
     
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  13. Dundee

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    There are good breeders who have two different breeds. In gundogs it is not unusual for working breeders to have several breeds - typically labs, springers and or cockers. I certainly wouldnt class those I know that do as puppy farmers or byb, but I most cases where multiple (more than two) breeds are kept and bred from do tend to come under the puppy farmer / byb category.
     
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  14. Think it is widely accepted that breed such as labs and spaniels are often kept and breed together Dundee! And I would not for one moment put these breedes into the BYB PF catogary
    regards
    DT
     
  15. CheekoAndCo

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    I think anymore than 2 breeds then to me they are a byb. I've still not decided if I think that about breeders who breed all 3 sizes of poodles because they have the same breed standard but different health tests. Not made my mind up 100% on that. But when I was looking for a poodle breeder I came across one (forgot the name) and they sounded really good on their website until I read that they almost always have retired breeding bitches/dogs for sale. To me that sounds asif they are just firing them out.. The puppy farm where we got Cheeko had atleast 15 different breeds of dogs. Really hate that place :mad:
     
  16. Shrike_xX

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    What can be done about it though?

    I think all of you are right at whats been said so far and I'm just curious if there's anything that can be done to stop it because I'm really trying to campaign for animals at the moment, there's so much that makes me cross and I agree entirely that one breeder cannot concentrate on more than two breeds at a time, or feel as equally passionate and inclined to improve the breed as much as they can as a result of not having the time to dedicate to more than two breeds, but what is to be done?
     
  17. DevilDogz

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    I spose you could have a limited amount of say two breeds per Affix!
    But i honestly dont belive this will work as people could just get another affix and put it in there childrens, freinds or partners names!!

    If im correct there isnt even an age limit on having your own affix :rolleyes:
     
  18. Nicky09

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    I would only buy a puppy from a breeder who had one breed or maybe two similar breeds say 2 sight hounds or whatever any more than that and there's not going to be enough breed knowledge to really do it properly. You can't do anything about it but maybe limit the numbers of breeds on an affix but yeah I would say puppy farm or byb
     
  19. Freyja

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    I have 3 different breeds 2 types of sight hounds and a gundog. I only breed on of them even though I regularly have enquiries about greyhound pups. I would never breed them the thought of 6/7 puppy greyhounds charging round the house like a herd of baby elephants is to much for me same with the setter. The whippets are hard enough.

    I f you look at show results be aware though that some people have shared kennel names. I know someone who breeds greyhounds and ibizan hounds, her mother breeds whippets her aunt breedsI think deer hounds. They all share the same kennel name but it is not the same person breeding all the breeds.
     
  20. raindog

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    For me, the only difference between a puppy farmer, a BYB and a greedy "pet" breeder is scale. They are all commercial breeders - ie breeding dogs primarily for money, and for me it is commercial breeding which is the problem.
    IMHO for good (ethical, responsible) breeders, breeding is only a very small part of their lives with their dogs, not its main purpose. They breed only when they want a puppy and the excess pups that are sold are a precious bonus for whom the best possible homes must be found.

    Mick
     
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