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Progesterone Testing at Home

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Emily Applegate, Feb 1, 2021.


  1. Hi
    I have a lovely well proven stud dog that is becoming increasingly popular but when I am first contacted by clients and I advise them about the option of progesterone testing in their bitch, they often ask me if I can do this for them. It's not something I do but I was wondering how I go about offering this service? I want to learn how to do it.

    Also, what are peoples thoughts on natural vs AI? I only do natural and it's always been successful but I've started receiving enquiring for sending his semen

    No negative comments please :)

    Thanks
     
  2. Blitz

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    What breed is he.

    I thought the vet had to do the progesterone test but could well be wrong. Again I could be wrong but I thought there was some sort of ruling on registering pups from AI conception. I probably am wrong on that one! Personally I would rather a natural service and I would have thought it would work out pretty expensive for AI so you would only do it with top show dogs.
     
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    As far as I’m aware a specialist repro clinic examines the bloods (taken by the vet) and comes up with recommendations as to when to mate. A centrifuge is used in this process.
    There is a system of pads which can be used at home to indicate ovulation, I believe this is not very reliable.
    AI is a somewhat controversial method, dogs should be able to mate naturally. The KC has recently allowed AI produced puppies to be registered (other then those from oversees countries where travel would be too far or difficult), but only from dogs that have had litters naturally at least once.
     
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    The KC will now register puppies conceived via AI regardless of whether sire or dam have had previous litters conceived naturally. The FAQs in the 'Artificial Insemination (AI)' section of this page on the KC website states the current rules for registering puppies when AI is used. The rules do state that if the stud dog is both alive and resident in the UK then a reason needs to be given as to why a natural mating was not possible but I don't know what reasons they may or may not find acceptable.

    Whilst AI has it's uses I think it should always be vastly preferable to go with a natural mating if at all possible and if a natural mating is unsuccessful then we should be looking at why not just defaulting to AI to get the desired result.
     
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    there may be a good reason, still dont know what breed he is or why he is so popular.
     
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    If it's the dog in the pic it looks like a poodle cross
     
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    That is why I was asking. And what is wrong with PF this evening. It is not working properly
     
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  8. He is a miniature dachshund
    All relevant health tests done etc
    He’s become popular as in I am inundated with messages from breeders wanting to use him and I have to turn some away because of this
    Hence my interest in AI, not sure how much it costs
    I have looked into the ovulation detectors but not sure how reliable these are on accurate figures has anyone used one before ?
     
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    Is that the dapple one you bought last year or is that a bitch. I take it you have shown him though is dapple a correct colour for showing. Out of interest, what is the dog in your avatar.
     
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    Is he a mini smooth by any chance? It's great that he's fully health tested (it's quite rare to find someone who has done the relevant DNA tests plus IVDD screening, a BVA eye test and patella testing...) but just because people are keen to use him doesn't mean he should be made available to anyone who asks.

    I'm asking if he's a mini smooth as they have seen an explosion in popularity recently with annual registrations almost tripling over the last five years or so. Whenever these sudden surges in popularity happen to a breed there are inevitably a great deal of people breeding who aren't prioritising the health and wellbeing of their bitch or her litter. This is particularly true at the moment with the huge increase in people breeding due to the "pandemic puppy boom". It's more important than ever to be extremely discerning with regards to who you allow to use him.

    If he's hugely popular it's important to consider just how many litters it's appropriate for him to sire. Whilst it's very common for particular studs (whether through desirability or simply availability) to sire large numbers of litters it's not a good thing for the health of the breed long term as it can create genetic bottlenecks. I'd recommend having a read up on the popular sire effect/popular sire syndrome. This is a good article to start with.
     
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  11. He is chocolate and tan smooth. My dapple is a bitch he’s been tested for the dapple gene and doesn’t carry this.
    The cavapoo in my photo is mine, she’s spayed and never been used for breeding
    Feels like an interrogation haha
    I don’t stud him to just anyone, I just thought I’d gather information on both fertility testing and AI to improve my own knowledge, get an idea if it’s worth doing or to keep offering my natural stud services only
     
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    I like your poodle cross of course!
     
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    Just out of curiosity, is this the male dachshund that you rehomed just over a year ago?
     
  14. nope, we didn’t end up buying that pup, completely different dog. Don’t see the relevance of these questions to my post but oh well I tried
     
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    I believe they are relevant , not just nosy.
    As you wll realise this forum is committed to ethical and responsible breeding, where's the harm in ensuring that this is being followed?
     
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    ok, I will tell you why you are being questioned. the only dogs that AI would be used for are top show dogs (or working dogs in other breeds) and dogs in another country with incredible bloodlines. Unless you are telling us otherwise I suppose we are assuming you are breeding pets so finding it hard to understand why anyone would want to go to the expense of AI. Apologies if you have been showing for years and he is the culmination of your showing career.
     
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    I was curious as, if it was the same dog, he wouldn't have been old enough to have been IVDD screened as dogs are only eligible once they're at least two years old.

    Mini smooths have the second highest rate of IVDD of all the dachshund varieties so the IVDD screening really is absolutely vital for anyone either breeding them or standing one at stud.
     
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    It looks like the OP has decided to leave as she has requested her account be deleted.
    It’s seems a great pity that people do this especially when good advice is given re testing before breeding. Also the OP had received plenty of good and helpful advice in previous threads. One can only presume the stud dog is not fully tested
     
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  19. Why would you presume that? Would you like some evidence he's had the relevant health tests to justify my post being welcome here? I came for information on AI and fertility testing.
     
  20. I appreciate good and sound advice but I didn’t realise you had to pass an interrogation process to get the advice haha.
     
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