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Probs with pup and mums dog :( Help please

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by wogglesmum, Sep 30, 2013.


  1. wogglesmum

    wogglesmum PetForums Junior

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    Hiya,

    I have a bit of a tricky problem, all advice happily received!

    My mum and dad adopt retired guide dogs from the GDA. Their current hound is a lovely 8 year old labrador called Monty. They've had him about 2 1/2 years now, which is quite long for them but his previous owner died :( and he was too old to reassign to anyone else, hence retired.

    Cookie is doing great, she's 12 n a bit weeks, plenty of socialising with other dogs, no issues, learning commands left right and centre, star of puppy class, pretty much stopped nipping, can be convinced to ignore the cat for best ham(!) and no accidents inside for about a week (but I've said it now so shes probably doing a massive puddle / pile as I type). You get the picture.

    Ayway, im not sure exactly how Guide Dogs are trained, but I think it's to either completely ignore other dogs, or to act submissive and walk away. Generally when out on walks, Monty will sniff at other dogs and leave, and if the insist on trying to make him play he just walks off. He will play ball, but only by himself, and has a couple of 'dolly' toys that he carries about, I'm not actually sure he's convinced he's a dog IYSWIM! He had no problems with my previous dog, but then he was a bit of a saggy old couch potato!

    Enter Cookie with her youthful exuberance and we run into problems. She is bouncing at MOnty to get him to play, and he is getting fed up. He growls and on occasion has actually bared his teeth. He even does it when shes not trying to play and just wants to snuggle up with him :(

    The tricky bit is this. I think with a bit of side by side training ie, me distracting Cookie and rewarding her for ignoring Monty, and Monty getting reassurance / praise for not reacting to her, we could nip this in the bud. HOWEVER, my mum's (slightly old school) take is to put them in the garden together and leave them to it :( I'm entirely not comfortable with this so her 'solution' is to put Monty in their front room and keep him away from Cookie.

    I'm forever at my mums and we have always looked after each others dogs for holidays / away days etc, so I need to get this sorted.... any ideas please??

    Helen
     
  2. sezeelson

    sezeelson PetForums VIP

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    Monty is active like a very normal dog.

    He is acting towards your pup the exact same way raven acts towards my Runa which has shocked me no end. Raven is the most placid dog you could meet!

    You can't really 'teach' Monty to enjoy the company of an exuberant puppy so you have to keep cookie away from him, this includes snuggling.

    With dogs like this, I present the pups rear so they can have a comfortable sniff but that is it. It helps to play and train cookie near by so he can observe if he wants and in time he will get used to her.

    Make sure to feed Monty a yummy treat as soon as cookie enters his view and space to help him associate her with positives things :) you will still have to keep her away from him for now but it's a good start. It also helps to walk them together but again, don't let cookie jump all over him!

    Time is the biggest healer in this case :)
     
  3. SLB

    SLB PetForums VIP

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    I would say keep him around! He'll teach her manners that you couldn't possibly attempt to teach her.

    I never worried when Benjie gave either of my pups a teeth baring when they looked like they were going to get close - he enjoys his space and coupled with distractions - his teeth baring and air snapping worked. They now leave him well alone, only jumping on him when they haven't seen him for a while - but this calms down after a telling off.

    Monty is acting perfectly normal, just let him have some respite from her now and then. :)
     
  4. sezeelson

    sezeelson PetForums VIP

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    Both my sisters min pins bared their teeth towards Runa when she started jumping at them. It all very normal, well, very expected actually!

    Raven won't defend herself and will growl and grumble at most so I make a point of keeping Runa away from her so raven can relax. Otherwise I let it happen, the worst would be a warning bite which is all just a telling off for going over the mark.

    Like SLB says, it will only teach her manners :)
     
  5. Ann Elizabeth

    Ann Elizabeth PetForums Senior

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    Just to reiterate what has already been said - this is usual behaviour Shoki my 19 week old pup is always getting growled at by Lily (her mum) and Mia when she 'crosses the line' and tbh I'm waiting for the day when she gets a nip from one of them I think they are extremely tolerant cos she can be a little minx, but she is learning all the time from the two older dogs, I do understand your concerns though and prefer to put Shoki in her crate when I have to go out.
     
  6. LolaBoo

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    Our 7 month old is way to bouncy and Lola will give her a warning when she gets 2 much for her, im hoping as Apple gets older she will calm down and stay out of Lolas face as much
     
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