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Pregnant queen nursing others

Discussion in 'Cat Breeding' started by Anar86, Apr 23, 2017.


  1. Anar86

    Anar86 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi all.
    New to the page hoping to find some answers.
    I have 2 cats china (mother) and tyrian (daughter).
    China had a surprise litter of 3 kittens 5 or so weeks ago kittens doing well (she's booked in to be spayed) niavley Tyrian is pregnant I'm guessing about 6 weeks or so (also booked in to be spayed estimated mid June vet has been very helpful)
    Tyrian hasn't really paid much attention to kittens up untill last couple of days where she's cleaning and playing with them.
    Today she has been grabbing them by the neck both sides and I presume trying to drag them somewhere, sitting on them. We've also caught her feeding the kittens! When I separated them all Tyrian was howling but calmed down. Now she follows them miaowing at them. China doesn't seem to mind too much she has swiped Tyrian a couple of times.
    Should I be worried, is it normal?
    The kittens all have homes ready for them when they've passed 8 weeks or so and obviously I don't want any injuries. Should I let them get on with it or keep them separate from each other. I have set a box up for Tyrian in another room upstairs where kittens can't get to but she calls them to go up.
    Appreciate any advice.
     
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    QOTN PetForums VIP

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    Girls who are about to deliver often choose a cat or kitten to drag about and feed. Are you sure she is only 6 weeks pregnant? If so, then it is not much to worry about as long as the actual mother is prepared to tolerate the intrusion but if Tyrian is close to labour, please stop her because you do not want other kittens taking her colostrum.
     
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    moggie14 PetForums VIP

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    Please please keep both girls in until they are spayed and rehome kittens at a minimum of 10 - 12 weeks. Just read other threads on here right now about rehoming too soon. Please.
     
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    Anar86 PetForums Newbie

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    Yeah they are both in and current kittens all have homes ready, I'm sure new ones will too. I have a big family and they're all cat lovers luckily. Both girls are scheduled to be spayed so no more surprises!
     
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    Anar86 PetForums Newbie

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    Thankyou.
    I have been keeping them separate today, worried about the new milk being consumed as you said and I've read elsewhere. I'm almost certain it's 6 weeks but I'm worried maybe more? Is there anyway to tell? As soon as Tyrian is near kittens she's trying to get them to feed - worried about them being smothered, losing her colostrum and that the kittens are now turning nose up at food because she's providing milk!
    Shouldve got spayed done sooner lesson learnt!
     
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    Yes, by 6 months at the very latest. Ideally at 4 months or less, though a lot of vets are old-fashioned and insist on 6.
     
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    QOTN said:

    ... if Tyrian is close to labour, please stop her [nursing any other cat's kits], because you do not want other kittens taking her colostrum.
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    that's very important! - Every drop of precious passive-immunity must be reserved for her OWN kits, they can only get it for 24-hours, then it's gone forever.
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    If Tyrian has only breast-milk for her own litter, because her milk production switches from colostrum to maintenance, they will get none, which can be disastrous - their immune systems & resistance to infection could be poor for their entire lifespans. :( Those lives might be very short.
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    if U're in the UK, there are several websites that offer info on early-neuter, including vet searches for practices that perform S/N before puberty [5 to 6-MO in cats].
    Any kitten weighing a minimum of 2# - which is 0.9-kg -- can be safely desexed.
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    If the dam must be C-sectioned, have her spayed during the delivery - she will still be able to nurse the babies. :) A queen can go right back into estrus as early as 10-days after birthing a litter, so U must be very vigilant & strict about keeping both dams securely indoors, with at least 2 doors between cat & outside world at all times, until after they are spayed -
    & preferably, continue to keep them as indoor cats, or confined to Ur own property by a cat-proof fence, even after they are spayed.
    Life within safe boundaries will extend their lifespans.
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    Regarding the colostrum , in humans a breast feeding pregnant mother will produce colostrum for her newborn and mature milk for the older baby. Surely it's the same physiology in all mammals ?
     
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    The kittens have colostrum for the first 72 hours only so it can be detrimental to newborns if it is squandered on another cat/kittens.
     
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    further, neonates can only absorb the oversized molecules of antibodies, via their intestines, for about 24-hours. After that crucial 1st day of life, the Swiss cheese texture of the intestinal walls of the newborn closes, & any colostrum they consume cannot confer passive immunity - they've aged-out of that developmental window. The mum's antibodies just pass right thru, unabsorbed.
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