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Potty training driving us potty

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Bailey80, Apr 30, 2011.


  1. Bailey80

    Bailey80 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi everyone.

    My name is Jed and we have a Jack Russell called Bailey aged 4 months and we live in a first floor flat. We bought Bailey from a working farm in the U.K aged 12 weeks. He was in good health but very skinny and you could tell he was wasn't being fed regularly or had any type of potty training (it being a working farm).

    In the beginning we started paper training him but without much success, he just seemed to go anywhere else but the paper even after a few weeks of trying. We put the paper in the bathroom where there is lino down so any accidents could be easily mopped up. After 2-3 weeks he did start to have the odd poo or pee in there but sometimes he would just do it anywhere in the flat.

    We take him out first thing in the morning for 40-60 mins roughly and 95% of the time he doesn't pee or poo but the second he gets back in the flat he pees and poos! We take him out all the time 3-6 times a day and nearly every time he does this.

    Please help!


    Jed
     
  2. DirtyGertie

    DirtyGertie PetForums VIP

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    You need to be taking him out every hour while you're training him. Check out the housetraining sticky which should help.

    If you want to continue with paper training, perhaps puppy pads would be better, I think there is some kind of smell to them that attracts them to do their toilet there.

    Make sure you clean up any areas previously used for pees and poos with a special spray such as this one or a solution of biological washing powder.
     
  3. Bailey80

    Bailey80 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi, yes i have read the house training guide thanks. Our puppy is 3 months old now but due to various circumstances we have only just 2 weeks ago started taking him outside now he's fully vaccinated, before that we were paper training him. On the farm where he was for 12 weeks he was just left to roam and do as he wished, no potty training whatsoever.

    5 days ago we bought a crate for him, he has got used to it now and is quite happy, he manages to hold himself overnight and in the day time. Today i took him out first thing in the morning but as he had a poo in the night he did not do one straight away.

    at 9pm After i fed and watered him midway through his food he came out of the kitchen and into the bathroom (where we paper train him) and did a poo then went back to eating.

    Straight after his food i immediately took him out, i had him running around for a good hour and took him back home (he didn't have one pee outside)

    As soon as he was inside the door he had a pee! I caught him and took him outside quick but he never finished it outside, i was out there for 15 mins.

    later this evening i gave him his food and water then took him out for a walk about half an hour after his food because i knew it was time to do his business.

    I had him out for another hour running around and he failed to do anything. When he got inside he started circling so i grabbed him and took him out side, stayed in one spot and waited for him for about 15 mins but he didnt do anything, then the same happened literally 6 times, in and out, in and out, he just wouldn't do it outside no matter how long i waited. It's really frustrating i don't know what else to try!
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  4. Bailey80

    Bailey80 PetForums Newbie

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    Ok, Update. I gave him the last of his food then took him out sometime later as it was going to be his time to go. I had him out for a good 30-45 mins and he still didnt pee or poo. When he came back in he went straight to the Bathroom and did a poo THEN he went inside his crate and did a pee!! I honestly have no idea what to do now:(
     
  5. Houseofpets

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    I can't offer any advice here but didn't want to read and run.

    How thoroughly frustrating for you, they always say a dog will never mess in his bed but like you we too had a dog that did that! It took us almost 2 years to house train him and we had a house with a garden! I hope it doesn't take you too long to house train him.

    p.s have you tried using a 'toilet' word like 'be quick', 'hurry up'? Even if he is doing it in the house on the paper, he will learn to associate the word and then you can try moving him outside and using the same word?
     
  6. Bailey80

    Bailey80 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi, we use the word 'Pee Pee' and say it to him whilst he is outside to try to coax him into doing his business but to no avail yet. I just don't understand why he holds it and waits until he is back inside, maybe it is a combination of him being on a farm for the first 12 weeks where he had no type of training and then a month in our flat before we could actually start taking him outside?

    I think he has had one poo outside and a couple of pee's so far outside and of course we praised him to high heaven! Today he must have been outside for a total of 5 hours and he waited every time until he was back in the flat to do anything. It's VERY frustrating!
     
  7. DirtyGertie

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    It seems as though Bailey is making a definite effort to go poo in the bathroom - is that right? Maybe he thinks that's where he MUST do it so in effect he is paper trained.

    How do you want him to ask to go out and toilet? Do you want him to sit at the door? If so I personally would gradually move the paper towards the door, just a little bit each day.

    I wouldn't be having him run around. Take him out to wherever you want to him to do it and say "Pee pee". If he hasn't performed within 10 minutes go back inside and then go back out again about half an hour or so later. If he thinks he's going out for a run around and play then he would rather do that than go to the toilet. Don't forget that if he does perform outside to make a big fuss about it, tell him he is such a good boy and give him a treat. Hopefully he will realise that doing it outside earns him big praise and lovely treats.

    My son's Bichon (Poppy's litter sister) is 11 months old and will only go on puppy pads in their lounge. They live in a house but have no garden. Their other older dog goes to toilet outside and the bichon goes out too, she sees the older dog toilet but she wont, waits till she gets back. That's one drawback with puppy pads or paper training, it sometimes can be hard for them to understand that paper is OK one time but you want them to perform outside another.

    I understand your difficulty as you are in a flat but would a litter tray be better for you? When brought Poppy home she adopted the cat's litter tray on the first day - the cat never used it by the way, it was just there if she got caught short anytime we were out. We were surprised that Poppy used the tray but it turned out to be a good thing. We gradually moved it nearer the door, then just outside the door, then further down in the yard. It only took a couple of weeks until she was going outside and she eventually started pooing in the yard rather than the tray. We did have to buy the biggest tray we could find, a normal small cat litter tray wasn't big enough.
     
  8. RobD-BCactive

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    Funny that a few times I've aired idea of using cat litter tray, and noone picked up on it at all, so it's quite interesting to read that you stumbled on this accidentally. :)

    Still the best thing, is if at all possible to get pup used to going outside asap, and avoid indoor puppy pads especially (at least with paper you can cover over poops to avoid having stuff tracked round).

    It seems wrong that Vets are still putting the wind up people over shots, after the position statement by AVSAB preferring socialisation to precautionary quarantine.
     
  9. Bailey80

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    Hey guys, thanks for the replies. This morning we took him out first thing, he had been in his crate all night and hadn't done anything. We had him out for an hour and he still didnt do his business, no pee or poo. When we got him inside we put him in his crate and he did a poo INSIDE his crate!! Why isn't he doing this outside? This is seriously bothering us now, he just wont do anything outside!! :confused:
     
  10. Bailey80

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    We can handle the fact that he will do the odd poo inside but when he's given the opportunity (in the morning) after holding it all night to have one outside then comes back and does it in his crate, that is hard to understand.
     
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  11. McKenzie

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    My puppy was quite slow to toilet train too so I know what you are going through.

    A few things:

    How big is his crate? It should be only just big enough for him - if it's too big he'll still go to the toilet in one corner.

    I found that until they actually go to the toilet outside you're stuck - you can't praise if they haven't gone! I would take him outside as often as possible - that way you're bound to get lucky at some point - and praise like mad if he does go to the toilet. You really just have to be patient until you can catch him doing the right thing - I know how frustrating it is!

    Also I wouldn't have him outside for more than 10 minutes at a time. If he doesn't go in that time, you take him back inside and take him back out later. Yes you will have some accidents in between, but you need to teach him that outside is toilet time, not play time!
     
  12. kat&molly

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    So, has he actually ever done anything outside? Have you tried mopping up his accidents and putting them outside so his own smell is there? :)
     
  13. McKenzie

    McKenzie PetForums VIP

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    Oh another thing I thought of - using a word for toileting is really good, but you have to remember that until that word has meaning it's useless. I would stand around outside saying 'Busy Busy Kenzie' but she hadn't yet made the association between 'busy busy' and going to the toilet. In the end I started again, only saying it just as she squatted and went. After a week or so of doing this every time she toileted she now understands what it means and will often go on cue.

    I know it seems like a long hard road, and I certainly felt like a failure when she just wasn't getting it, but if you stick with it you WILL get there in the end! He's still VERY young - Kenzie was still regularly messing in the house at 4 months, but she got there by 6 months :)
     
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