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Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by dandogman, Jul 28, 2014.
What's your view of using potato to replace grain in dog food?
12 pages on the subject - http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-heal...food.html?highlight=cereals+potatoes+dog+food
Like most things - depends on the dog
I tried a Fish & Potato one with Maisie and although she lost weight (part of the plan!) her itching went up a notch & her tum was even worse than before
That thread is more about grains though, only a few mentions of potatoes... so potatoes are as 'bad' as wheat, maize, barley etc?
Cooked potato can be useful if you need to provide your dog with some carbs due to its activity etc, sweet potatoes are often considered a more attractive alternative.
I do not feed potato deliberately as I feed raw, but I am not averse to giving leftovers etc.
It's better than grain if your dog has issues with grain. Ok in small quantities but large quantities is no more than a filler in my opinion.
Why do you ask?
Potatoes are OK, source of starch. Raw potatoes are indigestible to dogs.
I've been feeding Vitalin Chicken and Potato...
Potato (30.0%), Poultry Meat Meal (26.0%), Whole Peas, Sugar Beet, Poultry Oil, Carrot, Brewers Yeast, Fish Meal, Joint Supplement (Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM) (0.5%), Fructo-oligosaccharides (FOS) (0.1%), Mannan-oligosaccharides (MOS) (0.1%), Extract of Yucca Schidigera. Additives: Vitamins- Vitamin A 30,000 iu/kg, Vitamin D3 3,000 iu/kg, Vitamin E 125 mg/kg (as alpha tocopherol). Trace Elements - Ferrous sulphate monohydrate 200 mg/kg, Zinc oxide 139 mg/kg, Manganese oxide 80 mg/kg, Cupric sulphate pentahydrate 30 mg/kg, Calcium iodate anhydrous 2.45 mg/kg, Sodium selenite 0.22 mg/kg. Natural antioxidants.
Crude Protein 23.0%, Crude Oils & Fats 9.0%, Crude Fibres 4.0%, Crude Ash 8.0%
Depends on the amount of potato for me. There are foods I've looked at that used potato instead of grain and honestly, it felt like I'd be better off simply buying a sack of potatoes and feeding Rupert mashed potatoes with a bit of meat and some veggies each day!
Are they as bad as wheat and corn? I don't know. They're still a filler but at least Rupert could tolerate them unlike wheat or corn. Same with rice. I guess it depends on the individual dog to some extent. Either way, I don't want to feed a food that's 60% or more filler whether that filler is potato or grain.
Neither grain nor potato is merely a "filler"
protein, carbohydrates, vitamins, minerals as well as fibre.
All of which dogs require.
There are no fillers in dog food. This word means nothing. Everything that is in dog food has some nutrition.
Potatoes are valuable source of starch but in my opinion they are not better than grains.
Dogs do not need just meat protein in their diet. In fact they do not need protein. What they need are amino acids - building blocks of protein.
Crikey, mine are stuffed then!
I think you are confused
Dogs need protein.
Where it comes from is immaterial (in many ways)
What they need is COMPLETE protein ie one that contains all the essential amino acids.
Animal proteins are complete.
Cereal proteins (apart from soy etc) are incomplete
You might want to re read where you lifted your info from
We dont really know what our dogs should, or would like to eat. We know their biology is that os a carnivore - so they were once mainly meat eaters.
I know my dog like to nibble on grass, but I feed her Millies Wolfheart, which is 70% meat/protein.
She would eat almost anything, as they have done for a thousand years or so.
Therefore the incomplete, unbalanced amino acid ratios in cereals (and the protein level in potato which is so low as to be inconsequential as well as incomplete) will not be utilised by the dog. There's certainly an argument for terming it as a filler as it will be of little or no nutritional benefit to the dog, unless the unbalanced amino acids are 'paired up' with another source to render them complete. That's one of the reasons peas are often used as it pairs up with rice.
We know that dogs NEED protein.
We know what the essential amino acids are.
They are scientifically classified as carnivores.
Whether they can and do eat anything is an entirely different subject.
My horse used to like a ham sandwich.
One of the tins of food my dog gets has little chunks of cooked potato in.
It comes out, the same as it goes in.
Irrelevant to the discussion i know
I am not sure how you have jumped to that conclusion.
Very bizarre correlation!
The fact that a diet contains incomplete protein ie only a certain number of amino acids does not mean that the dog cannot utilise or metabolise those amino acids.
It merely means that unless and until the "missing" amino acids are added that they the food/nutrient is "incomplete protein".
When added it is complete.
There are many amino acids we can give dogs separately/in addition to their diets to effect certain changes too.
This is from book that you know well. Canine Nutrition, Lowell Ackerman.
" you might be surprised to learn that dogs have no real protein requirement at all. It's true! There's protein in eggs, milk, beef, and soy but also in fur, beaks, hoofs and leather. Clearly, not all protein is created equal, and it is not fair to say that a dog requires 22 procent protein in his diet to keep him healthy. The real requirement is for amino acids from which the body can create its own protein."
I knew very well where it was lifted from which is why I said you were confused.
As you can see the quote is very different from what you orginally posted.
Of course knowledge (of where to find information) is nothing without wisdom.
The latter is needed to understand the context of his observations.
He was talking about the %ages of protein stated on dog food etc.