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Discussion in 'Snakes' started by Joanna Maciejczyk, Jul 23, 2018.


  1. Joanna Maciejczyk

    Joanna Maciejczyk PetForums Junior

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    I love snakes, im obsessed with them... but im scared of my 5ft boa thats i got thats was never used to be handles a lot and you know im really scared as she is really interactivw when i open the cage and well oviously agressive feeders i only handled her once when i got her after she settled and she was stricking in the air at a wall and thats kinda got me freaked out i want to think if a stratedy to tame her wothjt me beain scared sh will mounch on my face but i do love her but she freaks me out she even tried to bite me though the galss after feeding witch got me worst i have a baby boa and a ball python ball python is not a problem of course because well i got her the lingest and after letting her know i dont have food she is fine to be handles my baby boa well she never tried to strike at me but at my freidn witch got me wirried aswell and felt like im doing something wrong or i dont know i aint scared if them its just i di t wanna be bitten and i feel sad like if they hate me or something i know its stupid but im sensitive, any advice on getting over it or some tooks eg snake gloves or soemhing i got a hook i tried touching her middle part with my hand and leaving her alone im looking at ger and she can clearly see me( the big girl im talking about) to get her used to me but im still scared of been biten tho but immsure once i take her i will love it but i just want to get over it but i dont know how to start she is auiet a difficult snake i know, but i felt so sorry for her bein just in the cage never handled and stuff before and want to start taming her basicaly
    Btw thats her cute fat face her name is Dellilah ... but Rambo would be nice
    Her breeders named her "nic" from the morph she is
    Btw she is not overweiggh it was after feeding so her face usualy look like this befire the skin goes back they told me she always looks like this usualy after feeding
    Ps sorry for my bad keyboard typing and grammer
     

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  2. leashedForLife

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    hi, Joanna - I love snakes, too. :)

    Which sort of Boa is she? -- I know what she "looks like" for species, but morphs can be confusing, & species does matter. Temp / behavior can vary among individuals, but there are also broad tendencies of "species-typical personality". // . For example, all tree pythons are highly reactive feeders, & make poor pets; they really aren't handleable - they may be gorgeous to look at, but they see something *move*, & they strike - even after a recent meal.
    They aren't nasty, they're just wired to hit moving objects - but they deliver painful bites.

    for this post, I will presume Ur snake is a domestic morph of the wild-type red-tailed Boa, & if i'm wrong, i can correct it later / edit it.
    Red-tails are typically handleable when fed consistently, & apropos prey-sizes with feedings every week to 10-days can help reduce strikes / bites, as they aren't so intensely hungry, eating monthly or fortnightly. // Red-tails are a tropical spp; they don't hibernate, & eat year-round.

    All snakes stop eating just before shedding, when the spectacles turn milky [air under the scale]. // Sick snakes also stop eating - if a snake is offered prey of a species that they've eaten B4, of an apropos size, & at the usual intervals, but hasn't eaten in 2 to 3-weeks, see the VET, no matter how "healthy" s/he looks. Delay only makes death more possible.

    1st thing, I will presume she's in good body condition & has SPACE in that tank - she's 5-ft long, so she needs a minimum of 5-ft x 2-ft, & 3 x 5 would be better, as she needs a soaking bowl which accommodates her bulk without overflowing, to maintain skin health. // A snake who feels crowded & cornered will strike out defensively; they are nervous & irritable. A well-fed snake living in generous accommodations will be less cranky, 'cuz they're less threatened. They can move! - & are more relaxed.

    How much does she weigh? -- Do U have a scale? -- a luggage-scale that lets U "hang" a bag to weigh it, & a soft cloth bag to weigh her in, are good to have on hand. A big cotton or cotton-canvas bag, well-washed to soften the fabric, is great. :) . For a snake of her size, the bag should be at least 2.5-ft wide at the opening, & at least 3 / preferably 4-ft deep. // Always wash a new bag B4 use - sizing & other fabric finishes can cause irritation or respiratory problems.
    The dark interior of a bag helps keep the snake calm; be sure it's DOUBLE tied, draw up & tie the drawstring, then tie the ENDS of the drawstring underneath the drawstring, around the "neck" of the bag, being careful not to trap the snake's head or tail or body in the tied neck!

    here's a good one:
    https://www.amazon.com/Laundry-Bags-Heavy-40x50-Canvas/dp/B00R1TULKM/

    100% cotton canvas, with DOUBLE-STITCHED SEAMS all the way around - look at photo #3, see the straight seam on the outside, & a serge seam binding the seam allowance together, to prevent fraying / reduce the chance of rips & escapes. Good construction! - very durable.
    Be careful to gently lower her onto a padded surface after weighing - U can't be sure what position she's in, or where her head is. Don't plunk her down painfully on a hard floor [lino, hardwood, concrete, tile] - set the bag gently on a foam pad, such as a hunk of egg-crate-foam, memory foam, or an inexpensive dog bed. Use the foam pad to as a sling to carry her back to her tank. // Untie the bag facing AWAY from U, into the tank; let her come out on her own time, don't poke her or try to "pour" her out. If need be, leave the bag lying in the tank, & she can exit when she feels safe.


    Has she been seen by an exotic vet? -- pain & injury will also make snakes cranky, just as it does us. // Snakes have long, complex spines, & any back injury will result in pain that makes them irritable.
    How is her oral health? - stomatitis is an extremely painful affliction, which needs immediate attn from a vet - it quickly degrades the animal's health.
    Does she have any internal or external parasites? // have her feces been checked under a microscope for eggs, larvae, adult or spore-stage parasites?

    What condition is her skin / her scales? - BLOOM is the beautiful purpley-grey sheen on a truly healthy snake [or a healthy bird's plumage] & there's no Q of less than optimal health when U see bloom. Without it, she may be "surviving", but she's not thriving. :(

    How warm is her tank / room?
    Does she have a minimum 5' F temp-gradient from warm to cool on 2 widely-separated sides, to move & adjust her internal temp?
    What's the humidity in her tank / space?
    Husbandry is critical for reptiles, their living space & every detail of their environs & diet determine their health.

    How well did she shed out, last time? -- a really healthy snake will cast a perfect complete inside-out skin, like a reversed sock. // When it comes off in pieces, that indicates problems - too low humidity, poor skin health, SCARRED body / scale pattern damaged, mites, lack of a soaking bowl, etc.

    Did she completely shed her spectacles? // If she retained the old scales over her eyes, AIR often gets between the old scale & the eye proper, so she can't see properly, & will strike at moving objects defensively as she can't I-D what that is. Snakes who retain a spectacle [or both spectacles] are likely to do it again, so 3 or even 4 layers can cover the eye, making vision murky.

    Does she eat KILLED PREY? - she should be fed frozen & thawed, whole-body prey - skin / fur or feathers, guts, bones, & all.
    LIVE PREY is a no-no! - not only does it force the snake to strike aggressively, THE SNAKE CAN BE SERIOUSLY HURT OR EVEN DIE should s/he miss & hit the tank wall, a rock, a branch, or other tank-furniture. Snakes can't *see* when they strike - they aim, & go for it. If the prey dodges, the consequences for the snake can be dire. Broken teeth, broken neck, jaw injuries, spine injuries, etc.
    That doesn't even include the injuries that live prey themselves can cause - bites, punctures, infections, & so on.

    HTH,
    - terry

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  3. Joanna Maciejczyk

    Joanna Maciejczyk PetForums Junior

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    Wow terry that was amazing thank you! So let me answer
    Dellilah is BCI (Bia Constrictor Imperator) she is Nicaraguan T + Albino and she is shiny but they said its okey, well my vets unfortunetly will always say there something wrog because they get paid for medicine after thats porbably just water with some vaseline tbh and she is helthy she was adjusting for a month before eating but thats normla woth boas to he honest, her main problme is thats she was not handles as much before i got her from the best really the best shop where they sell healthy animals well i bough my pastel bci male and he was IBD witch lead to his death and it was not noticable and i transfered it to my rainbow and 2 weeks not eatig withch is normal to be honest and dont lead to death well they died witch was depressing my ball python thats comes from exoticpets uk lives with me for 4 years now healthy just with small problems due to my dumb thing thats i listened my vet told me thats feeding my ball python day old chicks only is a good idea... wich makes her tiny now (she is chubby she is not underweight) but she is small for a female her age but i love her anyways thwy all have big bowls to soak in specialy dellilah as she loves to sit there somestimes even days she probaly go out at night she does it as london is qiet hot since it was hot she does thats but like i cant stop her because it is really quiet hot, and yes the temperature is fine at winter they will have basking light as then when its really get cold they all shed perfect i can send a picture as the shed is amazing( its a wet shed so its longer then the snake itself) and my baby boa i guess she when she striked agressively did not like my friend because she stricked at him while i was holding her so i guess if she calm i can try however im still scared to even open my cage for delllilah i dont mind be bitten by my baby bci but dellilah mouth is big enough to swallow my hand basicaly
    I do not ever feed my snakes live rats, i love all animals despite i feed them to my snake they already frozen dellilah started on small rats now shes on medium and she eats them not problem also rats and mice are dangerous to snakes really and most likely have parasites or bacteria etc, dellilah might also stricked as she smells my dog my rough collie teenage moster but still it freaked me out despite she was aining at the wall, her stike range is enough to bite my face off from the floor,
    With the weighting i actualy have the weight but as i said im petrified of the big bite fron thats beautiful girl at the moment because of hotness she either soak or sits under the bowl(its a large dog bowl as my dog does not like to drink water from bowl so he have a bucket lol) i washed it 3 times with reptile cleaning and samonella free and bacteria kill stuff for reptiles and rinced it few times before i gave it to her her humidity is fine but i guess she likes to sit in thats water they the breeders said its normal but she hahent done it before she was just mainly in her hide, whats im doing right now is im walking i oviosuly have them all my snakes in my room when opening the cage putting water when shes far so she can sence me and from the save distance then leaving her alone i elt her look at me throught the glass but the incident with when i fed her and then she turn around on me trying to bite me was very well scary for me( i am not scared of her but the bites and i cant get to even try and put my hands there other then for feeding and watering so really all i need help is to how i can safely handle her for it to be safe for her too and eventualy take her? The real reason she is like thats is thats shes nippy as she is not used to humans contact they tried to handle her a lot more but oviosuly reptile breeders do not have time for alll aninals to be handles 2-3 tjmes a week because hey have tk handle and feed others etc
    Could i use like gloves and a snake hook to turn her head away from me? I got her in march and i only ha dher in my hands 2 times but the striking At me though the glass git me pretty pretty paranoid even more as well i aintscared of snakes but you know just do t wanan be bitten as i mention before i do get sensitive for no reason and i cant help it
    Also thank your for your advice ❤️❤️ Specialy thats it was well and detialed
     

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  4. Teddy-dog

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    Wow ok, it is quite hard to read through and understand everything in your posts but I shall try and offer advice.

    How long have you owned the snake firstly? And has it ever actually managed to bite you or has it just struck through glass?

    If it's not used to being handled, then this can obviously stress a snake and, if your snake was only used to its viv being opened to feed, it will automatically expect food which will not help the issue.

    There's no reason you can't use a snake hook to handle your snake for now, if that helps you gain confidence with it. You can always use a hook to gently lift out of the viv and then take a hold with your hands, if it's the going in with your hands that's worrying you. Also wearing thick gloves my help your confidence.

    My kingsnake will strike at the glass when he sees me (or rather, a sudden movement) but once I stick my hands in and pick him up he's placid as he knows it's not feeding time!

    Have you ever heard of tap training? I've never used this method but some people who keep the giants do this alot and I've heard people say it does work. It works by conditioning the snake so you use an object to gently tap/stroke the snakes head when it is being handled and therefore it knows there is no food coming.
     
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  5. Joanna Maciejczyk

    Joanna Maciejczyk PetForums Junior

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    Hey lol sorry my keyboard is much better on my phone now, thank you yes i heard about the tap i do try and touch her for her to get used to me but usualy when i open the cage i cant even do it as her face is exactly where i am stright away because she is so active about it and yes she treid to stricke though the galss and when i held her but it was more striked away from me it might be from my dog smell because i own a dog but i do not take out snakes when dog is in the room for safety of both i will try the gloves yes i though maybe the specialist gloves for thats but i guess thick gardening cut proof will be fine too? Dono they cheaper for sure i guess prpbably since the people had this snake dont know since when i may ask them they vey helful and they clearly still rember the snake i can ask them how long they have them because its seeks like she nevee bein handles a lot because thats whats it us really and i got her 15 march 2018 so i did not handle her when she was adjusting and unfortunetly but normal for some snakes to adjust for a month so no food no tocuhing and then i held her for 2 mins and then she strked at the door wall away from me.. and probaly the thing thats the breeders said thats she is nippy and thats she stricked and her stike is quiet big i mean she can reach high probably fron floor to my face well i didint got a snake thats behaved like thats before lol and then when i was feedinn her once i treid feeding her out if the cage but because of stress she would not eat so i rather not risk her not eating again so i cage feed them thats dont really make a differnece in snake behavious much seeing my snakes they will just like your snake strike but once they know they fine but she seems scared of people i really dont know about her pass befire the people in exotic pets got her but she is healthy so i guess she just was not handles a lot(witch they told e before of course) my need for adise is thats i do want to handle her to get her to have extra exercise once in a while and for her to be able to be soaked in bath if necessary or if shes messy with blood from the dead rodents etc ir when i wanna clean the cage( i do thats atm but she is stil in the cage i just chnage the newspapper from one side and then when she move then other side etc also if i start handeling her or at least sit on my bed maybe she will be chill as boa can be x
     
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