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Plant based/Vegan/Vegetarian or just after some new ideas?

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  1. rottiepointerhouse

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    Doctors are STILL encouraging low carb/keto type diets for people with type 2 diabetes. It kills me!

    Got the season's first batch of yellow squash and zucchini yesterday and cooked it up with some onions and some gorgeous bell peppers. Yum!
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd4vr7lvrvmo

    Deaths from heart and circulatory diseases among people under 75 is on the rise for the first time in 50 years, UK figures show.

    The British Heart Foundation (BHF) says increasing rates of diabetes and obesity are partly responsible.

    Over the last five years the UK has seen an 18% increase in people diagnosed with diabetes. Circulatory diseases include stroke and diseases of the arteries.

    "But we’re seeing more people die each year from heart and circulatory diseases in the UK before they reach their 75th, or even 65th, birthday. We are deeply concerned by this reversal.

    “Heart and circulatory diseases remain a leading cause of death in the UK, with millions at risk because of conditions like high blood pressure and diabetes.


    and just when you think they might actually have finally grasped that a WFPB diet could arrest and reverse heart disease and so they might actually think about promoting it they come out with this

    "We need to work in partnership with government, the NHS and medical research community to increase research investment and accelerate innovative approaches to diagnose and support the millions of people at risk of a heart attack or stroke."

    My Mum went for a meal with a friend to a chain pub restaurant the other day and made the mistake of telling me what she had to eat :Shifty:Shifty needless to say I looked it up

    Starter - Halloumi Fries with a dip - 587 calories per serving, 47.3 g of fat, 15.7g of which is saturated and 3.7g of salt. Main - Beer fish and chips 920 calories per serving, 48g of fat, 5.2 of which is saturated, salt 1.8g. :Jawdrop:Jawdrop Thankfully she didn't have pudding. She is a diabetic with hit and miss control of her blood sugars and has high blood pressure despite 3 medications. One meal exceeded the RDA for saturated fat and is more than half the allowance of salt. I despair sometimes I really do :( Who knew they fried cheese and soaked fish in beer before frying it. Oh and where are the vegetables?
     
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    I know the feeling!

    My son is a Type 1 diabetic who is trying to adopt a more plant based diet by cutting down on meat, dairy and oils. The last time he went for a check up and consultation with his healthcare professional (I'm not sure whether she's a nurse or a doctor) he was told as he has his diabetes under good control, not to worry too much about what he eats!

    Inwardly screams!

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    :Jawdrop:Jawdrop I hope he ignored them. The diabetic specialist nurse told my Mum it was fine to eat cake - her favourite slice which she often has before bed with a cup of tea contains 2 teaspoons of sugar, I asked her is she would get a bag of sugar out and eat 2 teaspoons of it before bed - she said don't be silly I'm a diabetic :Hilarious:Hilarious
     
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    I'm about half way through this podcast and it has to be one of the most powerful/emotional ones I think I've listened to (must be the first podcast that has made me cry). Highly recommend it.

    https://plantproof.com/adam-sud-saved-his-life-with-self-love/

    IN EPISODE 66 I SIT DOWN WITH ADAM SUD, A TREMENDOUSLY BRAVE YOUNG MAN WHO TURNED HIS LIFE AROUND FROM THE LOWEST OF LOWEST BY DISCOVERING OUT HIS TRUE ‘WHY’ AND MASTERING THE PRACTICE OF SELF LOVE.
    Adam’s story is tremendously powerful and one that I feel incredibly privileged to be able to share with you. Today Adam is helping save peoples lives across the world through his work with Whole Foods market, his public speaking and role as a Diabetes & Food Addiction Coach and upcoming clinical trial the ‘INFINITE STUDY’ exploring the effects of implementing a nutrient-dense diet and nutrition education in early addiction recovery.

    • Adam’s childhood
    • His diagnosis with ADHD
    • His disordered eating and subsequent weight gain
    • How he felt being extremely overweight
    • When he first heard about plant based nutrition
    • The rock bottom time of his life
    • His true ‘why’
    • Rehabilitation
    • His journey to recovery and learning the art of self love
    • Addiction versus dependency
    • How he speaks to himself
    • and much much more
    I have no doubt in my mind that by the end of this conversation you are going to absolutely fall in love with Adam – it’s impossible not to. I am incredibly grateful to call him a friend.
     
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    Just tried cacao nibs for the first time. Definitely adding to my list of things to put in smoothies and oatmeal.
    I like 'em!
    Texture reminds me of cashews, flavor is definitely chocolate, but very mild, and not sweet. You smell the chocolate more than taste it if that makes sense.
     
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    Lunch today
    Yellow squash, bell peppers, onions and quinoa
    Yum!!!

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    Well, I am on week 2 of happy gut diet and this week we get to reintroduce beans :)
    To be honest, I have struggled a bit with this diet (as have a few other people on our FB group) as the recipes are very heavily curry based which is a trigger for my (and others) acid reflux problems. They also use a LOT of coconut oil/coconut/coconut milk so I am having to adapt most of the recipes as I rarely cook with oil (trying to lose weight) and that much coconut is too much for me.
    That said, it is easy enough to adapt and the people running the course are very approachable and happy to suggest alternatives. Plus, it gets easier as you go along as, when I can use a wider variety of foods I will be able to adapt the recipes even more.

    Although, based on the advice below from a well-meaning friend I am going to give up this plant-based fad diet and start chomping on raw steak to cure my depression:rolleyes:

    Have you considered changing your diet? I've been watching a lot of videos and the carnivore diet is supposed to be very good, especially raw carnivore. I can't do that here of course. Apparently, veganism is the least healthy diet ever for humans. Depression, anxiety, rotten teeth, skin issues, digestive issues, and more are all common on a vegetarian or vegan diet. Raw milk and dairy is good though, too.

     
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    Oh my @Dimwit that's uh... wow. I don't even know what to say about that bolded bit LOL!

    Glad you're doing well on the happy gut program though :)
     
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    Yep there is a growing movement of people who only eat animal flesh and some only eat it raw :Jawdrop :Vomit:Vomit They make all sorts of claims but have absolutely no scientific evidence/research to back it up. They pick on a few unhealthy vegans and try to make out everyone eating a WFPB diet is slowly dying. They obviously forgot to read the studies showing reversal of heart disease, prostate cancer, diabetes etc etc. There is a YouTuber called Sv3ridge seen here at a vegan food festival who is a particular nut case

     
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    I've finished listening to this podcast, so inspiring and definitely one to share. I've someone in mind I think it would help/interest but am a bit concerned she might be upset about the ADHD stuff as her children have both taken the meds for it. Dilemma
     
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    Lots of plant based news this evening :)

    Greggs to launch more vegan options after success of the sausage roll

    https://www.plantbasednews.org/post...ekly+News!)&mc_cid=e283d25c87&mc_eid=[UNIQID]

    Bosh win a major publishing award (non fiction lifestyle) for their first cookbook

    https://www.plantbasednews.org/post...ekly+News!)&mc_cid=e283d25c87&mc_eid=[UNIQID]

    Business Insider article states Fast Food giants must add more vegan options or face the consequences

    https://www.plantbasednews.org/post...ekly+News!)&mc_cid=e283d25c87&mc_eid=[UNIQID]
     
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    Hubby bought me one of the sausage rolls. I can’t pretend to know what a ‘real’ one tastes like, but I quite liked it. It was easy to eat.
     
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    If we get too much unhealthy fast food, we’ll get too many unhealthy vegans and what’s the betting they blame veganism and not processing? Which would be healthier? Fast food vegan, or fast food not vegan. I’d guess they’d both be unhealthy, but which would be worse?
     
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    I've got mixed views about it. From a health point of view junk food is junk food and although I think there are some studies that show junk vegan is slightly healthier than junk animal based it certainly won't be healthier than a more thought out/healthy eating style traditional diet. From an ethical point of view though at least they are not eating/drinking animals and so less animals will suffer which has to be a good thing and the more vegan food is seen and available the easier it will be for people to make changes. For instance some of the teenagers I've seen being talked to on Cubes of Truth say they still want to go places with their friends and not stand out as different so if the main stream junk food outlets have vegan options that will make life easier for them. We just have to try and coach them to eat WFPB as much as possible and keep the junk food for an occasional treat.
     
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    Not really sure where to post this but wanted it to go somewhere and can't be bothered to take the flak if I start a new thread on it so sticking it here

    https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k322

    Conclusions In this large prospective study, a 10% increase in the proportion of ultra-processed foods in the diet was associated with a significant increase of greater than 10% in risks of overall and breast cancer. Further studies are needed to better understand the relative effect of the various dimensions of processing (nutritional composition, food additives, contact materials, and neoformed contaminants) in these associations.
     
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    Plantastic? Bad name, sounds artificial, too close to plastic. I’d go to pick it up, be instantly reminded that it’s not wfpb, or healthy and put it back down. :Hilarious
     
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