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pit types, laws, police, what went wrong

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by chianya, Mar 31, 2011.


  1. chianya

    chianya PetForums Senior

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    i have seen a couple of threads on here at the mo regardin this so thought i would start 1 where all the info we know we can share with each other and debate about right and wrongs
     
  2. The problem is ppl!

    Sorry not even Im that lazy..................The problem is people full stop.
     
  3. Bdy ppl huh :rolleyes:
     
  4. Johnderondon

    Johnderondon PetForums VIP

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    The problem began when Lord Baker of Dork bought into the idea that we can describe a dangerous dog by it appearance rather than its behaviour.

    From there things went rapidly downhill.....
     
  5. Malmum

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    Because some reckless owners of viscous dogs allowed them to run riot in public and maul/kill, all other dogs who "looked" similar where deemed dangerous - despite the fact that there were many hundreds, possibly thousands who didn't commit any ferocious act!

    Absolutely ridiculous and luckily when a Rottie killed a small child in a pub, they didn't see the need to round all Rotties up and destroy them too. Seems they then realised this law should not apply to all Rotties, so why it still applies to all bull breeds who even slightly resemble a PB is completely beyond comprehension! :rolleyes:
     
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    Hi, agree with you 100%, just have a read of the 'Fudge' post on dog chat, I hope you realise you have probably just opened a can of worms with this topic lol. wayne.
     
  7. xshelly_stanliex

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    Unforantly the the american pit bull terrier got banned because of the idiots who had them and made them viscious. This also meant that any other dog that was crossed and resembled an american pit bull terrier was put into the "pit bull" category so they too were banned.

    Im a firm believer in a dog is what us as owners make them, dogs are not born nasty they just like us are a product of their environment and like to make there owner happy. Naturally they are pack animals anyway.

    I think the whole ban is a pile of s*** and a dog should not be judged on what it looks like but its behaviour, if a dog gets taken from the owner because it has attacked someone i think the owner should be held accountable for it as the dog should be under the owners control.
     
  8. angelblue

    angelblue PetForums Senior

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    unfortunately some dogs do have genetic aggression. usually dog aggression, and it doesn't surface till around 2 / 3 yrs old.

    sadly although pits are generally a great people dog they do seem to have dog to dog agression inbuilt from what i have read.

    i do not agree with the ban tho as good training and sensible ownership will usually get you a great dog regardles of type.

    there are far more difficult and agrssive dogs out there than bully types, some fo the older molosser breeds are actually dangerous in inexperienced hands and the breed sites will actually tell you this.

    cant think offhand the breed i was last looking at but i loved it but the thought of owning one scared mme lol.
     
  9. Nicky10

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    Because idiots took these wonderful dogs and turned them vicious. The press decided to hype it all up as they still are just look at the manchester terrier that got loose on a plane in the US and bit someone. The press was calling it a pitbull and demon dog. Any breed can be dangerous and yes some do need more experienced owners and more intensive training and socialisation the fighting and guard breeds and the primitive flock guardians but even these are wonderful dogs with the right owners
     
  10. Honey Bee

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    Hi,
    Have just been walking in the local park this evening and met someone we know well. Was telling him about my sis's new Staffy puppy Polly and how well behaved she is and how great she was with Honey. He immediately said if its got Bull in the title then it should be banned!! What utter rot!! :(
    I was quite annoyed and told him he was completely wrong in no uncertain terms! (see my thread Staffie Convert) but until we can change people's attitude towards Bull breeds and make them realise what great dogs they can be if they are brought up and socialised correctly, the Lennox's and Fudge's will sadly keep happening. I think all the thugs who abuse and misuse them should be locked up!!! :mad:

    (This person is the owner of the most annoying dog on the planet, an English pointer who is uncastrated at 4 years and will bonk everything in sight! But that's ok because he's only being dominant - NO ITS NOT!!!- I do love pointers its just this one)
     
  11. tripod

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    Tried to ignore it but I can't :rolleyes:

    APBTs, pit bulls, staffies, bull & terrier breeds, bull breeds, most mastiff breeds etc. have not been 'made vicious' they have been the victim of a media campaign and society's general ignorance when it comes to dogs, dog behaviour and dog aggression.
    As a result they are abandoned, abused and neglected in hug numbers on so many levels.

    All dogs have 'genetic aggression' - all dogs bite, all dogs show ritualised aggression - this is normal dog behaviour.

    Breeds/types with a blood sport history are more likely to be predisposed to dog-dog aggression, animal aggression etc. but this includes lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of types and breeds including all manner of hounds, some Nordic types, all terriers and so on.

    Dog-dog aggression is more likely to be seen in behaviourally mature dogs - so yes, 2+.
    This is because sufficient socialisation was not provided for these dogs during babyhood and importantly throughout adolescence.

    All types have been selectively bred to show a predisposition for certain traits. This does not guarantee it however.
    And although artificial selective pressures have obviously had massive impacts on dogs today so too have natural selective pressures. Aggression is counterproductive and something that natural selection selects against in most forms.
    Its ridiculous that we as owners have to teach our puppies how to be dogs but because of how we breed and rear puppies this is a necessity.

    As such, understanding a dog's likely predispositions will allow a prospective owner to prepare their dog for life.
     
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    what an idiot :mad: hate ignorance

    i rep'd you :)
     
  13. noushka05

    noushka05 Unicorn denier. Snowflake. Activist ;)

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    the DDA is shocking legislation and should be scrapped immediately so no more innocent victims have to suffer!...pits are wonderful dogs a few folk i knew had them in the 80's they were wonderful people friendly dogs tho all the ones i knew were very 'game' when it came to other dogs, so unfortunatly they were sought after by idiots.

    but now they are banned you have to question the mentality of those who continue to breed pits/am staffs and their crosses! what sort of person would risk dogs being seized and destroyed at any time!:mad: and those who knowingly buy them are just as bad and play their part in perpetuating the breeding of them!.....poor dogs.
     
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