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Pekingese skin problem

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by Liesa, May 4, 2017.


  1. Liesa

    Liesa PetForums Newbie

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    I have a 10 year old Pek and live abroad and am flying home to the UK with her in the summer. She has been to three vets with a skin complaint. She has a red raw tail that bleeds, she's losing her fur and she constantly licks her paws, which she has little cyst like things on that bleed.
    She is on thyroid tablets for low thyroid and Apoquel which I was told are better than the steroids she was previously prescribed. The vet here has said once we get her to the uk we can get her the indepth tests that are not available here and maybe put her on a raw food diet (she currently has hypoallergenic food). We are so worried about her being miserable (without sounding brutally robotic - we are not at the stage of having her put to sleep or anything like that, we just need to sort her comfort levels out) and we need to try anything until we get home to the uk in July.
    PS, she has a shampoo for yeast and a Cortavance spray.
    Any advice gratefully received
     
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    Sled dog hotel PetForums VIP

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    You don't say which country you reside in at the moment, but it is possible to send blood tests to Dr Jean Dodds DVM at her Laboratories at Hemopet. Dr Dodds is an authority on canine hypothyroidism amongst other things. That may be a solution. As you are probably aware already hypothyroid can cause many health issues including hair loss and skin problems so it may be even possible that although she is already taking thyroid medication her levels are still not adequate so she is still techinically hypo thyroid. The link below tells you about the available Thyroid profile tests and Under the forms heading there is shipping instructions Lots of information under education section too.

    http://www.hemopet.org/hemolife-diagnostics/veterinary-thyroid-testing.html

    Dr Dodds also has a pet health resource blog and on there amongst other things are lots of various articles about canine Hypothyrodism that may be of interest and help too you can find the link to her Blog below.

    http://drjeandoddspethealthresource.tumblr.com/dodds-thyroid#.WQs90sxwbIU
     
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    If your vet thinks its allergy related maybe food related hypoallergenic food only rules out certain types of allergens. The ones that are classed as most common, so wheat, beef. In all fairness your dog could be reacting to anything. You haven't said where you are living, and you could either use a hydrolysed protein food if available, or start with a move protein food such as venison, duck. Whatever food you haven't fed before.

    Quite often allergies are environmental, so these are hard to control or not directly food related but if you are feeding kibble storage mites may be a problem. So choosing wet food, following the above advice could help too.
     
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    Sled dog hotel PetForums VIP

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    Forgot to mention too Dr Dodds also does a food intolerance test at Hemopet called Nutriscan, in case you miss it details below

    http://www.hemopet.org/hemolife-diagnostics/nutriscan-food-sensitivity-intolerance.html
    http://drjeandoddspethealthresource...sitivity-versus-dog-food-allergy#.WQs_nsxwbIU
     
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    Liesa PetForums Newbie

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    IMG_6742.JPG IMG_6759.JPG Hi there and thank you so much for your responses. I am in Abu Dhabi in the UAE and because we've only been treating her for about six weeks (we've only really seen a real problem for about 2 months but looking back, the constant licking of her paws has been going on for maybe years,we just didn't put 2 and 2 together). When the weather gets really hit each year we shave her completely and it was only when we had her shaved that we saw her paws and tail. The steroids initially worked by then we had to reduce the dosage then going back for the check up we were told to try the new tablets that had just come in to the vets.
    I think the high dosage steroids work better but they wanted to put on the safer tablets due to heart murmur.
    I think having her thyroid tested again could be a good start (they said this last time but failed to tell us that the test could only be completed 4 hours after taking her thyroid tablet). They didn't ask us to bring her back for a repeat test. I also haven't been called by them to see how she's doing or get us to follow up.
    It's hard to get specialised foods here and I wouldn't want to give her the chicken and now you say that beef could be bad for allergies? Maybe a wet dog food containing duck or venison then? Any brands?
    Ps we are going home in 7 weeks so think it would probably be best for any further tests to wait until we get home but the thyroid test can be done the same day (she is on royal canin)
    Thank you so much
     
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    Royal canin do a hydolysed protein food...not sure what its called, and if your dogs been on hypoallergenic food hes already missing out on beef and wheat...so they are unlikely to be a problem at the moment but could be.

    Am sure royal canin do a duck and tapioca based food, which would be ideal...but I can't remember if its in wet formula too. I would say it will be classed as 'sensitive' or something along those lines. You will just have to have a good look and start reading ingredients.
     
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    Once they are on medication then you do need to take the bloods 4/6 hours post pill, which is when it is at its maximum take up. After that the levels then fall, so the therapeutic reference range is different to the normal ranges for a normal working thyroid. Dr Dodds has been researching and lecturing for years on the subject and there are breed and age specific reference ranges that she uses unlike normal bog standard labs. Steroids can actually interfere with thyroid function too. High doses can have side affects too, like increased urination and thirst, increased appetite, it can longer term cause other symptoms too. They do tend to work on allergies, but in high doses for extended periods it can cause problems. I would get her thyroid tested again, and have a full thyroid profile done, even then the problem is not often getting the tests done but the right interpretation and getting and maintaining the correct optimum dosage. Dr Dodds does a full analysis if you did send them to her.
    Normally a re-test to check levels is done about 6 weeks after starting the thyroid medication.

    The heat and humidity probably isn't helping her situation, in think coated dogs especially it can also cause something called Hot spots, sometimes called other things like moist dermatitis. Normally bacterial infection is involved too. You can read more on Hot spots on the link although obviously its just one taken at random.
    https://www.vetary.com/dog/condition/hot-spots

    I would also if you can perhaps think about getting Dr Dodds book The canine Thyroid Epidemic, Answers you need for your dog, its well worth getting for owners of hypo thyroid canines.
     
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