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Out of control dog - close to rehoming

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Toxic Elegance, May 28, 2017.


  1. Toxic Elegance

    Toxic Elegance PetForums Newbie

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    Hi I'm new to forums and chats etc but I am in need of any serious advice around my dogs behaviour. Bottom line is she is walking around with her fingers up and I have run out of ideas. My home is being destroyed and walks are no longer pleasant. Anyone who can help I am happy to provide full info...
     
  2. ouesi

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    I'm not familiar with the term "walking around with her fingers up", must be a British one I'm not familiar with?

    What breed, how old is she, and what are the problem behaviors?
    Is she from a breeder or rescue? Is the breeder or rescue available to help with training?
     
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    Toxic Elegance PetForums Newbie

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    Hi Ouesi

    Sorry i meant it's like she is constantly sticking her fingers up at me with her attitude. She is a staffy x English bull, I bought her from a friend when she was 13 weeks and she's now 3 and half years. She is destroying my home, either chewing or messing. When we are out the second she comes of the lead I don't even exist she won't hear or see me and if I keep her on the lead she cries. She just won't listen and does what Delilah wants to do regardless. What I am finding very very frustrating is that she is very very clever she is well trained and this behaviour is a choice. The lid is off the scale I don't know where to start except cry I am starting to dislike her
     
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    I think you will find that dogs do what works and if she was very well trained there would be no reason to behave badly unless there was something in it for her.

    Have you considered some 1:1s with a reputable trainer who can provide you with some tips to put you back on track

    Where do you live perhaps we can recommend someone
     
  5. ouesi

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    It is very unlikely that she is deliberately disobeying you. In order for this to be deliberate defiance on her part, she would have to one, understand completely what is expected of her, and two, choose not to do it in order to upset you. I highly doubt that is the case. So it might help to start there - let go of the assumption that this is deliberate disobedience on her part and instead try to figure out why she is not complying.

    If she has no recall off lead, you have to teach her one. Until then, keep her on a long line.
    If she is messing in the house, she is not potty trained. Go back to basics with potty training her. Has she been seen by a vet to make sure the pottying in the house is not medical?
    As for chewing, does she have appropriate chews to satisfy her very normal desire to chew and use her jaws?
     
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    Toxic Elegance PetForums Newbie

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    She is really doing what she wants, I put her in the kitchen while I was out she chewed through my door and went to get in my bed. I put her in the garden I come home she has chewed through gate and is sat on my steps waiting for me tail wagging! I get up in the night to go toilet, she copies and does the same when I get back into bed. When we are in the field she will take someone else's ball even when she has chosen which ball she is taking with her, and attack the dig if it comes near her or anyone who dares try come on the field. I was speaking to a dog psychologist about a year ago but he cancelled day before and at the same time a new puppy moved in couple doors down who she goes out with everyday now and her behaviour improved but the last couple weeks she's being a bitch and I can't go through it again
     
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    Toxic Elegance PetForums Newbie

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    She has a toy box in every room lol and she has always come back she is really doing what she wants
     
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    And yeh she is potty trained as she won't do it in her space and can hold it then
     
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    If you really want some help you will obtain the services of a reputable trainer
     
  10. ouesi

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    Toys are not necessarily going to satisfy her need to chew. I'm talking about raw bones or antlers or even a good stuffed kong.
    And yes, fo course she is doing what she wants, that's what all dogs do. She's just not motivated to work for you. So you have to figure out how to motivate her.
     
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    You're obviously very upset and frustrated with your dogs behaviour, and the whole thing needs dealing with as it's effecting your relationship with her. I'm not a dog expert, at all, there are people far more experienced than me on the forum. It does sound like your dog needs to go back to basic training on her behaviour, and an experienced dog trainer or behaviourist seems to be in order. Sorry, I have no advice to give, just wanted to wish you good luck. x
     
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    Could you tell us what you do like about her and what she does well then what you do to reward and encourage that behaviour?
    Could you tell us when she toilets in the house and what you do when she does?
    Could you tell us how you engage with her and what sort of ongoing stimulation she gets and what outlets she has for chewing?
     
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    What training have you done with her? Have you ever attended any formal training with her?
    Is the lack of potty training a new behaviour or has she always toileted in the house? What do you do when she has toileted in the house?

    If she is stealing other dogs balls and especially if she is attacking the dog if they try to get it back then you need to keep her on leash around other dogs toys (one day she will do it to the wrong dog and end up worse off), in fact until she has a solid recall she needs to be kept on leash at all times in public. It is an offence to have a dog out of control in a public place.
     
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    Toxic Elegance PetForums Newbie

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    She's funny, she'll sing, talk, dance jump high five, find anything you've hidden from her, mothers all the other animals in the house. She loves to tug o war or play on her rope swing go swimming anything high energy (she needs it)
    She messes in the house when I go out with out her (but not in her space only if left free in the house) she gets put in her crate when she messed in the house.
    I talk with her, I sing with her and dance with her, i take her with me everywhere I can and i make sure she gets to socialise she's not deprived
    She has all sorts of toys of different chew strength and qualities and if I have to go out without her I will bring her a treat chew home with me.
    Unfortunately she doesn't have dog treats or tit bits I learnt very early it ruined her behaviour so it's something she doesn't get now only her main meal once a day in th morning with the other animals
     
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    Toxic Elegance PetForums Newbie

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    I am
    I am frustrated she's making me cry, it was suggested that I try a forum was hoping someone else had Sam
    E experience as me props it is back to basics but she's making it so hard x
     
  16. ouesi

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    Genuine question:
    Are you looking for help with her problem behaviors and are you willing to work on them, or are you looking for validation for choosing to rehome her. No judgement here, just trying to figure out which direction to go in helping you.
     
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    Toxic Elegance PetForums Newbie

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    I want help with her behaviours I started making enquiries about rehoming her last week, I don't need validation
     
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    Sorry if I seem short I am just frustrated, I have had dogs all my life and I have never encountered what I am with this one
     
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    OK that is something to work with. Can I suggest a few things?

    Don't put her in the crate because she has messed, you have said she messes when you go out and leave her but not in her own space so why not put her in the crate with something like a lovely stuffed frozen kong when you go out? That way by the sounds of things she won't mess in her space. When you come home you will be pleased to see her and can reward her good behaviour either with a fuss and a game of tug of with a small food treat. Whereas at the moment you are coming home, finding a mess, putting her in the crate and probably having a good moan at her which means she will be anxious about you coming home.

    Could you explain a bit more about what you mean by having a dog treat (as in just a small piece of something like cheese, sausage or even a bit of her daily kibble allowance) as a reward for good behaviour ruining her behaviour?

    Could you do some scenting games with her or scatter some of her daily feed around the garden, under pots etc so she has to work for her food?

    I remember when I got my first rottie after having an amazing GSD for 13 yrs, I found it quite hard to bond with him and focused a lot on what was different about him or what I thought wasn't as good, to be frank I didn't like him much which upset me and no doubt him. A good friend/trainer told me to focus on the things I did like, one of the things I hated was the struggle to get his collar on because he would bite my hands so rather than have a struggle and get all upset I started asking him for an alternative behaviour and rewarding that and getting the collar on while he was still busy with his reward. Just a little example but it did help.
     
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  20. ouesi

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    If you want help with her behaviors then it's probably best to work with a proper trainer.
    Where are you located? Someone can recommend a good professional in your area. (Dog psychologists are not usually a good choice.)
     
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