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opinions on dog breeding - is it fair or valid

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Blitz, May 4, 2010.


  1. Blitz

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    I am getting very tired of the constant threads on here with posters trying to lay down the law about who should breed and why they should breed or even whether any dogs should be bred at all.

    A lot of the posters are first time owners and have got all their information from similar posts in the past on here and are just regurgitating it in later posts.

    There will always be people that breed from every dog they own, there will always be people that want to breed from their pet, and there will always be people that breed for money.
    There are a FEW breeders that health test, rear their puppies well and give life time support.

    Most dog owners couldnt give a damn about it and will buy the puppy they want from the most convenient and reasonably priced source and will think it a lot of silly fuss about nothing.

    Can we cut down on the lecturing and maybe just have a pinned post about what to look for and leave it at that. I feel that it is going to chase away a lot of members and attract the trolls so maybe it should become a taboo subject like doodle breeding is.
     
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    Absolutely agree. it is becoming a problem. no poster should say who should breed and who shouldn't and no poster to slam people for going to breeders instead of rescues. similarly no poster should stop people going to rescues either.
     
  3. Tanya1989

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    I completely agree. TBH I'm sick of people pointing the finger at RESPONSIBLE breeders for the problems in rescue centres. As mentioned many times before it is not responsible breeders that cause the rescue problems but the BYB and PF.

    I have nothing against rescue dogs, but I don't want one. I take pride in the successes of healthy dogs that look like the breed standard. I would rescue if I had the room, but I have to prioritise to what I want as we are not all blessed with bags of money and huge houses to afford to rescue and have our chosen breed. I do what I can to support the local rescue centres. But what we need to remember is that we are not infallible.
     
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  4. JANICE199

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    Nice to see a post from someone else that lives in the real world.:thumbup:
     
  5. gesic

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    But no matter what the subject people are entitled to their opinions.
    Its how we learn about things...through discussions, if people feel that the opininion made is "slamming" then perhaps they have a sub concious feeling that their might be another side to it.
    If you dont want an argument about anything....then dont post about anythng.
     
  6. shazalhasa

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    totally agree
     
  7. Maz&Oozy

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    100% agree ive not been here that long but have noticed this alot.
     
  8. RAINYBOW

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    Each to their own i say. I looked in rescue for a year before getting Oscar, never saw a single cocker at my local rescue and wasn't as clued up as i am now about other organisations.

    I was a novice owner with young children and as a childminder i needed to be absolutely certain the dog i was getting was what i expected it to be so in the end i went to a breeder for the breed i wanted.

    That breeders sold every puppy TWICE within a week of advertising them so i don't think she has contributed to the rescue crisis in any way (and yes she has contact with all of them).

    As you rightly say Blitz people will buy the pup they want from the most convenient place at the right price which is why i always bang on about why it is so important to educate the public but jumping up and down on someones head is not educating someone ;)

    Yes next time i would get a rescue, i know alot more now and the kids are older and to be honest can't see the point in paying hundreds of pounds for a pup that is just a family pet when i can get one at about 8 months because someone took on more than they could chew ;) BUT when i get my GSD it will be from a good breeder who health tests etc because of the problems within that breed.

    It's about personal choice. :)
     
  9. Nellybelly

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    I would personally never get a dog from a breeder. I have only ever rescued, and I will continue to only rescue. There are too many unwanted dogs out there, through no fault of their own, that I cannot bear to think that I am able to save a dog and instead I am going to a breeder.
    Having said this, if a dog is well loved well cared for pet, I have no problem at all if the dog was purchased from an ethical breeder.
    I would love and care for my dog the same whether from a rescue, or an ethical breeder. All dogs are worth the same in my mind, you can't put a value on a life.
     
  10. dimkaz

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    the point is (in my opinion) that any sad story can cause knee-jerk reaction....and jumping to conlcusions that are not really accurate ...

    having said that..i have started again breeding (after some 20 years) i breed crosses because i don;t want to have anything to do with organisations like the kennel clubs or other breeds clubs while i have great relationships with other breeders (purists and cross-breed breeders). I haven't spared a penny in pre/breeding/whelping/ raising the litter and care for the bigmama.. and the result are glorious to the point that some old folks i used to know back in my home town are now making serious enquiries (that will probably be unmet) about my dogs... i am proud of what i am doing...and will strive in doing it better...having said that i also rescue, done so for a while...and even when i couldn;t, i used to "visit" the rescue centres...

    i really get the point of those who wants to see breeding halted but at the same time there seem to be no way of convincing that it wouldn't work and the adverse reaction that limit and/or banning will cause it's way more damaging than the current rescue crisis...and not because it will estinguish important bloodlines or entire breeds (that will never happen...or if it happens it will probably be for the best...who knows...i'm certainly not out to judge) mostly because the "parallel" market that is thereby formed will be populated by the most unsavoured characters pushing out those who strive to do well by their dogs...

    at the same time i am convinced that educating the buyers is the way forward...probably banging on tv, newspapers and all sorts of media the fact that dogs are destroyed every minute because of impulse buy, lack of care, lack of foresight on how big, how string and how energetic a pup will be after it's grown...would have much more effect as it will showing how many dogs are destroyed because of it, telling thair stories....but not in overdramatised / specialist TV programmes...in the evryday news, entertainment and popular programmes....
    is there any chance modern media can do that? would it be more effective?
    what's your opinon?

    thanks for reading

    best
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  11. Mollydoodle

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    why put up anova then? it will only end up wiv the ovas - 2 sides clashing and we are all entitled to our choices, you breed i assume and i dont and wudn't - end of. also your title of is it fair or valid will only provoke arguemtns coz evryone feels there opinions are fair and valid
     
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    Meh...I still think we are only trying to educate rather than slamming. Surely that is better?

    And people who complain that they are good breeders because they are not adding to the rescue situation. I don't see how people can say that. For the majority of breeds there are ones sitting waiting for homes. Ones missing out on homes. Fair enough, not everyone wants a rescue dog. But they can't say they are not adding to the problem as they will always take the dog back. Anything could change in their future and mean they could NOT take the dog back.
     
  13. Mollydoodle

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    wot is wrong with doodle breeding cmpared to eny ova breeds and why is it taboo???
     
  14. JANICE199

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    The OP wasn't saying there was anything wrong,what she meant was talking about crossbreeds has become a taboo subject on here.We now have rules in place to curb it.:D
     
  15. Blitz

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    not quite sure why I am replying to this as it isnt written in proper English so might well have got the wrong end of the stick, and you are shouting.

    The point is there is nothing wrong with doodle breeding or any other breeding but because of all the nasty posts about it the subject became banned on this forum. I feel that the spate of posts about ANY breeding have become rather nasty so feel it might be an idea to ban them too as they are upsetting a lot of breeders and not helping to educate anyone.

    By the way, though I have bred the odd litter in the past, the last one was 12 years ago and I have no real desire to breed another one so certainly wouldnt call myself a breeder.
     
  16. catz4m8z

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    Things do seem to have gotten a little heated of late.:( There are extreme fanatics on this forum both pro breeding and pro rescue and they do sometimes make things abit unpleasant for the rest of us and end up alienating people.
    As someone who has a crossbreed, pedigree and would still like to rescue one day I find it quite off putting..
     
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    I do agree it can get a bit put of hand. I also acknowledge that I am probably one of the moat critical. But it is a very emotal subject. This is the first time in a while that I have seen these threads.

    I do think everyone is entitled to their opinions, but banning subects on a forum is going a bit OTT. At the end of the day nobody is forcing anybody to participate and none of these posts are specifically directed at any one person. (most of the time).

    I know I am one of the more outspoken ones on the subject, but I do not blame ethical breeders. But I do have strong opinions on people buying as opposed to rescuing. We are all entitled to have our own opinions. :)
     
  18. Mollydoodle

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    capital letters is shouting i was just asking why you quoted doodles as taboo, and theres no need to be rude about my typing or spelling thank you so your saying that you are fed up wiv posts getting on at breeders and your sick of reeding em and then put up anova post - how does that make sense then? you asked if peeples opinions are fair or valid and theres only a short answer to that and it is "yes"
     
  19. Mollydoodle

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    well said. as for banning subjects like doodles ect wudn;t it be better that peeple stop getting so defensive of their opinions and accept ovas have different ones? ive seen so much rudeness on forums about sertan topics and peeple seem to forget we all have our luv for dogs/cats wotever in common but can have different views and still get on
     
  20. Miss.PuddyCat

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    I also get the feeling that unless you have or are in the process of having a dog you get ignored or maybe I need more sleep cause I do feel I sometimes am ignored.

    I took a break from last week to now of the forum cause peoples attitudes were a complete turnoff. I dunno what else to say other then I think Ill go back on break.

    For who gets to breed I have no idea how it works and cant be arsed to figure it out.
     
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