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Opinion on veterinary recommended diets

Discussion in 'Cat Health and Nutrition' started by SuboJvR, May 16, 2018.


  1. SuboJvR

    SuboJvR Joey’s Mummy

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    Hi guys

    Hoping I don't start something controversial here :D

    We got an information sheet regarding Joey's castration, and one of the sections touches on diet. It's clearly tailored for slightly older kitties (I'll feed this back to them, I think they could benefit from a "early neutering" information sheet).

    Here's what it says
    Now ignoring the fact that they gave me a free bag of Royal Canin Paediatric Growth dry food two weeks ago (that went in a drawer).... :D Let's just say I won't be changing anything just now, whilst he's a growing boy, he eats what he wants. I may even give them the Paediatric Growth back, since it's recommended for "4 months to neutering", of which he is both. Errr.

    I'm sure others get told the same. Interestingly the actual vet isn't really fussed about what we give him in this regard, I suppose he has clocked that he's getting high protein anyway. In fact, when I kept asking for more RC Gastro, I'd say he was even a little surprised that I wanted to spend on it!

    Cats continue to grow past 9 months, don't they?

    I've looked at the RC Neutered diet, here's the blurb from the wet pouches "for maintenance"

    It's not actually too horrendous, I suppose (why wheat flour). But what makes it special? I would consider it as a chunks-in-gravy food though because their Gastro wet food is so well tolerated by Joey, although that actually has corn flour not wheat flour.

    What I am interested in is their claim that...

    I'm particularly conscious of this risk, but I'm assuming by feeding him high quality of other brands (90% wet diet) the risk is also mitigated?

    I am going to ask about it next time I see them. For entertainment purposes I would like to see what happens if I ask why they have told me to give my growing boy weight management food, but I shall refrain ;)

    Just wondered if anyone did have any thoughts on this topic. Why do vets "recommend" these things? Do they truly believe that if I fed Joey 100% Royal Canin Dry Neutered for Young Males (which is probably what they would suggest), he will be as healthy as can be?

    The dry info is

     
  2. Bertie'sMum

    Bertie'sMum PetForums VIP

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    I'm always suspicious when a vet recommends dry food when we all know that a totally dry food diet is not good for a cat's overall health - they just don't drink enough to compensate ! IMHO the vets are getting a rake off from the manufacturers for every bagful they manage to pass off onto unsuspecting new owners who only want to do the best for their cat and believe the hype spouted by the vet. The idea of a dry diet is a totally human invention (probably thought up by someone who thought it would be 'convenient' as it wouldn't go off if left down) - for heavens sake where in the wild would cats get a 'dry' diet ???????????????
     
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  3. buffie

    buffie Mentored by Meeko

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    Many vets do not have additional nutritional training so are swept along by the info given to them from manufacturers of the foods they stock.
    Sadly they also don't appear to realise that "one size" definitely doesn't fit all and that body scoring is a far better method of determining over/underweight of an animal rather than the numbers showing on the scales.
    Most cats IMO do not reach maturity at 6/9 months of age so where that figure comes from heaven only knows.
    Those who specialise or have an interest in nutrition will hopefully have studied the ingredients in many of the foods and come to realise that it doesn't always do what it says on the tin ;)
    I'm no expert on cat food or ingredients but I have read enough articles written by vets to realise that dry is not good for cats,neither are grains/cereal etc .
    If I had my way Meeko would be raw fed on a well balanced,natural as possible diet but sadly he has other ideas .
    One thing I will say about my own vet though is that dry doesn't figure high on his list .
     
  4. lorilu

    lorilu PetForums VIP

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    Those foods are very poor quality. Stay very far away. Feed your cat a rotation of good quality canned foods. Avoid grains, and try to avoid other additives like fruits and vegetables and cellulose (which is sawdust, made from pine roots)

    Pate is, in general, going to be lower in carbs. Rotate brands and proteins. No dry.

    You can add in some raw too. : )
     
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    Elaine b37 PetForums Senior

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    well my understanding is that Cody who is a three year old British Shorthair will possibly have just stopped growing!

    When I took him along to be registered my vet did give me a money off voucher for Royal Canin in his welcome pack but said " you don't need to bother with that if you don't want to" I didn't because I had already spent several months on here gaining knowledge about good nutrition! to be fair although Royal Canin is prominently placed on the reception counter she has never mentioned it again,.

    When he had a dental last year she did suggest I try 'upping his dry food' to help but I just smiled vaguely and have continued to feed wet food with a tiny amount of dry in his maze, she also said that the breed is prone to plaque because of the shape of their face, he is due his annual check up next month so we will see what she says about his teeth then.
     
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    tonksathome PetForums Newbie

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    When I took my then-5-month-old boy to the vet having accidentally trapped his tail in the door (he's fine), the vet suggested I consider feeding him Iams light. This was before the vet had even weighed him or asked about his current diet (high meat content wet food since he was 3 months old). My cat was in no way overweight — perfectly muscular, visible waist, abdominal tuck, could feel his ribs etc. and was still a growing kitten for heaven's sake! I did the British thing and said nothing at the time but when I got a 'how did we do with your appointment' feedback survey invitation I let rip!

    It's such a shame that food sales have become a good earner for vets, especially when it damages their credibility with clients who know better.
     
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  7. MissMiloKitty

    MissMiloKitty PetForums Senior

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    Miss Milo was on RC Gastro for a while and the vet insisted that I give her dry food not wet. Miss Milo started gaining too much weight and ended up constipated, needing a emergency vet visit where she was given an enema. Her digestive system is normal now and the vet told me that she was overweight aged 8 months. Miss Milo is on all wet diet now and I think she might have stopped growing. She's 9 and a half months but she might have another growth spurt soon. Although she is a spayed indoor kitty, she is very active and therefore burn a lot of calories. Scales are invaluable, I bought 2 baby scales from eBay and Id be lost without them. I strongly recommend staying away from dry food. It's high in carbs and even if you think your cat is drinking enough water, the chances are that she's not and will end up constipated what happened to mine. I don't know why vets are obsessed with dry food, I really dont
     
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  8. SuboJvR

    SuboJvR Joey’s Mummy

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    Agreed!
    I am curious to entertain the idea of the RC vet diet - I would like to know if they will recommend the dry or wet.

    When Joey had his diarrhoea, the vet was surprised I asked for the dry at all, as they had been prescribing wet pouches solely. He had had an off day see and the only thing that tempted his appetite was some dry Applaws kibbles I had as a trial, so I wanted to make sure I had something he could tolerate “just in case” whilst he was underweight. And this when going say 12 hours without eating at all was a serious concern due to his age.

    I do suspect there may be a mismatch between what Joey’s vet thinks or recommends (having two cats himself) and what “the practice” recommends, so it will be interesting to hear from the nurses too.

    What I have noticed is that Joey eats wet food when he’s hungry. He eats dry food when it’s there, hungry or not! He treats it like a treat, which is handy because I do, too! It’s no wonder cats get fat on dry diets.
     
  9. moggie14

    moggie14 PetForums VIP

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    "Most cats are at their ideal weight at 6-9 months old"

    Never heard of this! My Tonks continued to grow until about 18 months old so I think this is c**p TBH :rolleyes:
     
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    lorilu PetForums VIP

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    In my experience regular domestic cats continue to grow and fill out well past the 12 months old mark. Both my ginger boys never reached their full growth until they were 3 years old. Not litter mates, they were actually many years apart but I had them both from tiny kittenhood. My youngest girl (8 years now) is a tiny cat, but she did continue to grow until she was at least 2 years old. I had another tiny cat before her who also did not reach full growth until close to age 2. The rest of my cats were adults when they came to me.
     
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  11. MissMiloKitty

    MissMiloKitty PetForums Senior

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    The RC Gastro did stop the diarrhoea and vomiting but it's high calorie and although it's an all life stages food, it isn’t easy to find the reccomended intake guidelines for kittens. I did manage to get hold of this information from the vet nurse though
    The vets are very much against wet food and I received a lecture from one vet about how bad wet food was and how great dry food was. I won't bother repeating it because it was not true. I remember one thing the vet told me, he told me that dry food was cheaper. Well, that wasn't true because it caused extra vet trips for the enema and the consultation I had regarding her weight. The RC Gastro wet are expensive but they are worth it. The cynic in me thinks that vets support what they are paid to support which is not good. My vet still insists on dry food even though she's better on wet.
     
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    moggie14 PetForums VIP

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    I wonder where they got that information from :confused:
     
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    Psygon PetForums VIP

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    I think that's total rubbish too! Our tonks were not fully grown at 9 months either... Although the way Jammy is going at 9 months I kinda hope she hasn't got too much more growing, she's getting huge!

    Out if curiosity... @tonksathome can I assume your cats are tonks? If so... Pics? :-D
     
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    moggie14 PetForums VIP

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    I'd actually say that Dexter (half Tonk) was growing until 2 years old. I think 9 months is a ridiculous age to quote :rolleyes:
     
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    Psygon PetForums VIP

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    We weigh monthly, so I know that Ted stabablized in weight around 18 months, he's been 5.4 to 5.6 kg since that point (he got a bit heavier when Yoshi was not eating and he was having seconds...). Darcy got to just over 2 years and then stopped at 4.1kg - and other than the odd gram here and there has been that since then. CK stopped growing very young, he's been 3.4 to 3.5 kg since he was 15/16 months old!
     
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    moggie14 PetForums VIP

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    My boys are both around 5 1/2kg so nice to hear they match Ted. Darcy and CK are both quite dinky aren't they! :)
     
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    Psygon PetForums VIP

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    I think Darcy is pretty good weight for a girl tonk. I speak to the owners of some of Darcy and Eds siblings, and their girls are almost the same weight as Darcy :)

    CK is definitely small tho! Jammy weighs more than him, she's 3.8ish kg now!

    We have had vets tell us various misplaced things about their weights tho. Ed has been described as over weight several times, even tho they have the health records that show he has been the same weight at every health check or appointment. Last health check in March the vet said he was perfect weight.

    CK has also been described as being at perfect weight at one appointment and underweight at another. I actually think he probably is underweight - but he eats a fair amount. His dad was a small skinny tonk too, so I think it's in his genes!
     
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    tonksathome PetForums Newbie

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    How on earth did you guess?! ;)

    Yep, they're Tonks — Dexter and Saffy. The site's not letting me upload pics at the moment but I just followed you on Instagram... I had to get them their own account! I'm glad to hear mine probably still have some growing to do. They're 9 months and 3.9 and 3.2kg respectively but I feel like they're still quite small. The same vet advised me to start controlling Dexter's food intake when he reached 4kg but when I challenged him on that he had to go and look at a weight chart on the reception wall which didn't include Tonks or even Siamese. As I'm concerned it's more about body shape than actual weight so that's what I'll be keeping an eye on. I do weigh them once a week though, just out of interest.
     
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    MissMiloKitty PetForums Senior

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    I've just remembered something. The Vet nurse advised me to put Miss M on "RC Young Nuetured Female" (Dry of course ) I didnt take the advice. Just wondering which RC nuetured did they advise you to feed? The weight maintanance or the weight balance one?
     
  20. SuboJvR

    SuboJvR Joey’s Mummy

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    They haven’t yet as it was just in this leaflet. I was going to ask more details today when we were going for his post op check but, I’ll wait till Monday as his wound is doing fine :)

    No way am I about to put him on a lower calorie diet when only two months ago he was critically underweight though :D
     
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