I dont know if anybody remembers my posts a few weeks ago about an 8 week old labrador cross poodle puppy, Maya, that I needed help with because she was chewing/eating everything in site. I hadnt left her alone at all as I was reluctant to use a crate at all and my house plan is such that we didn't have a "safe" area we could close her off in the house with all her toys, chews etc when we were away. We also do not have a big garden and even though she would be getting 2 long off lead walks a day we decided that we were not the most suited home for her. The main reason is actually that we refuse to use a crate. My previous boy Nelson who we sadly had to pts 3 motnhs ago was never ever ever restricted and I couldn;t keep a dog that I need to put in a cage. I realise their value I just have personal issues with crates - i dont own rodents, fish etc because I cannot stand seeing anything physically confined, so I would not be able to do this to a dog either (even just for 1-2 hours, even just for training...I cannot). Anyway, we decided to find Maya a new home and we were lucky to find a great home for her in Germany with a HUGE garden, and 2 kids. The reason I am saying all this is because I believe with the appropriate house we could have kept Maya without the need for a crate. And I know I might come across as "uneducated", but I am aware if usd correctly puppies see crates as a "safe haven", they feel comfortable in their crates, it is safe when the owner cannot supervise, useful for toilet training. I also know you can encourage a dog to enter the crate by placing food inside and keeping the door closed to arouse interest and then let the dog in. I know that feeding etc in the crate can make it more likeable, and that safe chews and toys should eb left inside the crate with the dog. But still, it just seems to me that to go to all this effort to make the crate "likeable", perhaps an animal like a dog that likes dens prefers ones with a gate that does not close them in. My boy Nelson used to have den-like areas, under tables etc that we esepcially had for him and put his basket there and he liked them...but the purpose was to give him the option, not to confine him there. As for safety, I agree a puppy is not going to be safe given the run of the house (wires, detergents, the list is endless). it just seems much kinder in my opinion to close off an area of the house for the puppy that has been puppy proofed. And toilet training. With Maya (the puppy with a new home) who we got at 8 weeks, we only ever had ONE accident in the house on the first day. I watched over her like a hawk, took her out immediately when she showed the typical signs before weeing/pooing. At night she slept in my room with me on her own bed with my door closed. I woke up 2 times during the night to take her out to do her business. I am giving this example as proof that a crate is not the only way to achieve certain things. The reason behind this post is not only inspired by this forum. Generally, I see crates being advocated everywhere. So it seems logical that I am the contrary one here making thisd post, but I do feel very strongly crates are not the only way forward. Ivbelieve it is greatly to do with convenience. Owners can achieve more easily what would require more effort without a crate. Also, it prevents needing to puppy proof the house / an area of the house. I would like to know if there anybody apart from myself on this forum who shares / partly shares my opinion!