Right Im having one more go today, i have spent the last 12 hours unable to sleep for thinking about Teddy. I have taken the three boys on a 30min car ride through the forest in my smaller dog crate. Yesturday i had their drinking bottle on the cage and the newspaper i used had been stored in the garage.... i know its clutching at straws but i really have to know for sure i did everything i could to know whether they could bond or not. The dog crate i think is too big to start with, Joey made himself a corner and was going for everyone that came near, as soon as teddy moved he was defensive, it didnt help that teddy was trying to reaarange the whole dog crate either it just wound Joey up more. I had used a wet cloth to wipe them over to encourage them to groom, but as soon as they started to dry the trouble started. So i have brought the little crate in the lounge, its not big enough for them all to be in there for more than a few hours but it might start things off better. They all have banana on their heads, so watch this space. Here are the pics from yesturday and a pic of them in the small crate now. They're not very impressed now!