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Nose butting puppy

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by bertlovesedi, Mar 27, 2011.


  1. bertlovesedi

    bertlovesedi PetForums Member

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    Hi all, i seem to be constantly askin questions at mo. bit of behaviour advice needed. my 6 year old JRT who is an allround well balanced little girl, has this obsession with nose butting my 10 week old pug puppy. i cannot make out if it is play or aggression tho she has not bitten him. she rushes at him and butts him with her nose, she constantly does it when he is running around and knocks him over. poor little boy cannot get more than a few steps without her doing it. what can i do to stop her or should i let her do it. she doesn't intentionally hurt him but obviously she is a lot stronger than him, he doesn't seem to mind. any advice on why she's doing it and what to do about it. thank you.
     
  2. Helbo

    Helbo PetForums VIP

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    No idea - I've never seen a dog nose-but another dog.

    Perhaps she is just trying to get the puppy to play?

    If both tails are wagging then I wouldn't intervene.

    Sorry I can't be of more help
     
  3. Ducky

    Ducky PetForums VIP

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    my dog "bops" everything with her nose. toys, food, me, my other dog. i have no idea why, other than it seems to be her way of investigating things.

    there isnt generally much force behind it though. does he seem anxious when he does it? or does it seem playful?
     
  4. RobD-BCactive

    RobD-BCactive PetForums VIP

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    The BC I trained as teenager, would burst through doors this way, I never figured out how it didn't really hurt him sometimes, but I never saw another dog do it quite the same way.

    I hoped you'ld get answers from people like l4l (Terry) and tripod, but it seems to me, that you should supervise the play when it's one sided, but tend if the puppy is the instigator to let it get up and go back.

    I haven't seen head on nose-nose collisions, so I guess noone wanted to reply, because it's not very usual.
     
  5. Irish Setter Gal

    Irish Setter Gal PetForums Senior

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    Is it all the time or some of the time, does it come with apparent play or deliberate intent, what does the JRT do when the puppy is on the floor, what's the JRT behaviour like, where does the JRT try to butt the pup, does it looklike he's trying to roll it?

    I can be quite complicated without seeing all the elements surrounding this behaviour, but my guess is either that the JRT is either attempting to initiate play and the pup doesn't recognise this or is asserting his position. Providing there's no hard staring nor teeth involved then I'd leave be and just monitor for increased aggression potential.

    My two at play to an outsider would think they were going to kill each other, when they are being very vocal with lots of mouthing going on :001_smile:

    Bit of a roundabout answer I'm afraid
     
  6. tripod

    tripod PetForums VIP

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    There might be a couple of issues here.

    Often times older dogs will like to 'advise' puppies that calmer behaviour would be more appropriate :p and may almost herd them and suppress their unruly behaviour.

    Muzzle punching may be used in situations where one dog is sufficiently annoyed with another - this usually escalates.

    My friend has a three legged dog and two normal four leggers. One of the four leggers will muzzle punch the three legger in the side to unbalance her so that she can have the ball or whatever resource that's going! So in that case it has become a learned behaviour used to manipulate the situation.

    It may indeed be part of play behaviour that is a little rough.

    Also in play, dogs may appear to be all nose contact when in fact they are playing politely with lots of side on contact.
    Does she play with him at all? If so, what other play signals does she use?

    I have also seen short nosed dogs really get in close with their nose when sniffing and playing.

    Without accompanying info I am not quite sure how this fits.

    Whether you interrupt or not will depend on the situation and indeed where your adult girl's behaviour may fit.

    Just because she hasn't bitten your puppy doesn't mean that she is not uncomfortable or irritated by his carry on. Mature bitches are usually pretty good at getting irritated by younger puppies, especially males but her response to this irritation will depend largely on her socialisation history and social tendencies.

    Make sure that your older dog gets lots of space and time away from puppy. This is beneficial for a number of reasons e.g. so that she doesn't get annoyed and harassed by him, that they know how to spend time apart should something happen in the future requiring them to be separated, helps them learn to bond to you and not just eachother.

    Watch her behaviour closely. If she shows signs of discomfort e.g. head turns, whale eye, yawns, lip licks etc. in puppy's presence be prepared to interrupt and separate them if she doesn't ask him for distance more persuasively.

    If they are having fun interrupt play regularly, every 20econds at most, for an obedience break and reward their focus and calm with the op to restart the game.

    A clip of her doing this would be really helpful ;) but also to know exactly what puppy is doing prior to this intervention from her, where and when it happens and what she does after...

    Anybody else have any ideas?
     
  7. RobD-BCactive

    RobD-BCactive PetForums VIP

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    bert's bitch heard about red nose day? :)
     
  8. tripod

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    that would be very cute :D
     
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