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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by cheekyscrip, Jan 2, 2012.


  1. cheekyscrip

    cheekyscrip Pitchfork blaster

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    This will be a controversial thread..but do all dogs have to be happy to be petted by strangers?
    And if they do not like that do you need to consult behaviourist?
    (I do not mean show dogs!)
    I had non cuddly non touchy-feely dogs..there was one who was very protective, very obedient and caring dog..but he definetly not encouraged familiarities..choosing himself whom he wants to be friends with...and his warnings were clear enough to put off anyone attempting...
    never bit ayone except when a man crept into our walled garden...and dog stopped him..the yells of the man actually alarmed us that someone sneaked in!
    another time a man tried to hit him with a plank and dog grabbed his wrist making him drop the wood..
    he was laika type spitz like dog..maybe it comes with that kind eastren spitz character?

    So some dogs will rather be left alone..Scrip is shy with strangers and it is best if allowed time to get used to the newcomer before any contact is made...
    I think itis allright to say Do not touch my dog!..or "Wait till he comes to you",


    and I think the theory that it is a projectionof the owner personality is rubbish! : Cheeky loved everyone and was delighted to be petted..welcome all!
     
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  2. smokeybear

    smokeybear PetForums VIP

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    No dogs do not have to be happy to be petted by strangers, however.............

    what about vets?

    IMV all dogs should be trained to accept normal veterinary procedures from pups and it is easy to do.

    If you do not show your dog, if your dog is not an assistance dog, or therapy dog, then it is not important that whether they accept petting or not.

    If my dog was forced to warn a person not to approach I would consider that a) I had a dog with a poor genetic background b) insufficient socialisation or b) that I had failed to protect my dog from an inappropriate approach.

    There is no problem in dogs not seeking out body contact from strangers but of course there IS a problem if the DOG takes the offensive.

    Shy, IMV, is just a euphemism for being windy..............
     
  3. SpringerHusky

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    Maya's very dopey loves everyone, wants belly rubs and will harass people to love her.

    On the other hand she's quite aloof, she dosen't sit or lay with me and if I lay next to her she'll get up and move away after a minute.

    Within the last year or so she's only just started to give me small licks which she never did before.

    Maya wants her space respected, My husband broke that by imitating her crying (had been locked in a crate that night and cried the whole night) in her face. She shouted at him and lunged up to bite him, he has a small scar on his nose where she must have caught him despite he didn't bleed.

    I've never had any problems since but she has bared her teeth to people who insist on putting their face in hers and I now tell people not to although I don't think she will do anything about it, I don't want her pushed.
     
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  4. catz4m8z

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    I dont think there is anything wrong with a dog not wanting to greet strangers. Alot of people have dogs that are perfectly happy, loved and loyal who dont even want to be cuddled by their owners!!
    2 of mine are happy to greet anybody and are really affectionate from the first second they meet someone. Heidi though is quite shy and timid and I do get fed up telling people not to make a fuss of her as she is scared.:( It makes her sound poorly socialized when really she just takes abit of time, give her 10 minutes to sit with someone and get to know them and she will be in their lap, behaving like their best friend. I actually think Adam and Hannah are wierder because they throw themselves at anybody!!:D
     
  5. Dogless

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    I don't think dogs have to be happy to petted by strangers but unfortunately need to be able to tolerate it.

    Kilo is aloof with strangers - he doesn't approach them and would rather not be approached. It does seem OK in today's society (most folk seem to view it as their right :rolleyes:) to walk up and try to stroke any dog without asking the owner or allow your small children to run at them, arms outstretched. I do tell people who ask permission that he is friendly but would rather be offered a treat and a hand sniff then will get to know you on his terms - that is great. It is those who ambush you insisting that dogs love them that I hate; most I head off by saying that he can be over protective of me with strangers (he isn't - it just puts people off their stampede!).

    Anyway...the point of the ramble is that ideally no one should ever touch your dog without asking. This isn't an ideal world so I think you need a dog that can put up with approaches without reacting badly.
     
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    Chance will not take any petting or people approaching him unless introduced slowly and then is quite happy to snog them all day :rolleyes: but with people in the street he will not tolerate petting.
     
  7. sailor

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    I dont think its a problem if a dog doesnt like to be cuddled/stroked/petted by strangers, some breeds are bred to be wary of strangers anyway.

    The problem is only when the dog shows aggression towards strangers.
    Most dogs who dont like to be touched by strangers will avoid strangers or merely tolerate them or wriggle out of their arms etc

    Sailor loves people and will do what he can to get a fuss... but sometimes he will come across a person he doesnt want to be near and when they have stroked him, he has avoided them and backed off with not a sign of aggression.
    Im sure if they kept trying to fuss him, he would show me he wasnt happy throught body language before resorting to growling/snapping.

    So after the long winded speech.... not wanting strangers to cule you isnt the problem... its how the dog reacts to the stranger trying to cuddle it! and more importantly how well the owner of the dog reacts to the body langiage of their dog to keep the situation from escalating.
     
  8. Catz1

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    I dont think its a problem if your dog isn't interested in affection from strangers but I think its up to us to manage the situation so the dog isn't forced to growl or give a warning.
    I have a GSD now and I was told that she may become more aloof with age. She has lost the "Please pet me now!!" attitude from her puppyhood but she does enjoy the odd love fest with strangers..
    I like to teach my dogs the "Go See" or "Say Hello" command. If anyone wants to pet her I tell Rio to "Say Hello" and give her the option of approaching the person. Usually she will walk up to them, get a cuddle and we'll move on but the odd time shes hesitated and looked up at me I just tell the person that shes not feeling up to meeting people today and move on. I dont want to put my dogs in a position where touching is forced on them. If they aren't into it then neither am I! I have gotten myself into the habit of stepping in front of my dogs when someone approaches so they can ambush them or grab them (its happened in the past)
    As for the vet, I've never had a problem with a vet touching my dogs but I do put a lot of effort into getting my pups used to being handled all over.
    Honestly, being that Rio is a GSD we dont get many people wanting to pet her but the odd time it does happen the "Say Hello" command has really helped..
     
  9. FrankieT

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    Benny is happy to be petted by anyone she loves attention. Charlie loves cuddles and rubs from people he knows well, like family and people at work. But he panics and hates when stangers touch/ invade his personal space when out. So if anyone asks to pet him its always a no, but as his always ignored people anyway it's not really been a problem. He has no problems with his vet touching him, which is handy as his well known at the vets.
     
  10. CKD1

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    If that was the case all my dogs would be slapping all strangers that got in their face :D

    I don't think it's an issue or a deciding factor if a dog is happy or not. All my dogs love cuddles from anyone, some are more enthusiastic than others. A friends dog didn't like strangers and it was over a year before he came to me for cuddles but I could only stroke his back he didn't like being touched anywhere else, it's his prerogative. I don't like to attach human attributes to dogs but I don't like strangers touching me, I'm not that inclined for those I'm familiar with touching me :D so why be any different for dog, their personal space should be respected even if they don't always respect mine!

    I guess it's up to the owner to ensure others are aware their dog is not a fan of cuddles or strangers.
     
  11. lucylastic

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    :eek: I just had a light bulb moment! My dog is often uncomfortable with being approached suddenly by strangers so I don't let them do it. BUT, I have never had a problem with her being examined by the vet. Never ever even considered there might be a problem. Time to rethink my stranger management.
     
  12. McKenzie

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    As a general rule Kenzie loves people, however, she (understandably) doesn't always want to be harassed by strangers. Unfortunately as she's small, cute and fluffy people seem to think she'd love being fussed over.

    I'm always surprised at how often people with dogs themselves try to pat her when she's busy playing with their dog, and they go to pat her on the head too, bending over her! More often than not she'll shy away from them because she's not in a cuddly mood when she's playing with another dog, and she doesn't really like strangers patting her on the head, especially not when a big person is looming over her.

    If she's in a relaxed mood and people approach her nicely then she loves cuddles from anyone, in fact she can be a bit of a tart! :rolleyes:

    I don't see any problem with this - she's never growled or acted aggressively towards a person, just tries to avoid being patted, and is an angel at the vets . I think she has a right to decide when and by whom she wants physical contact.
     
  13. Obzocky

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    To echo a lot of people:

    I am starting to cut people off from stroking any dog i'm walking before they bend down, even with their arguments that all dogs love them. We expect dogs to have manners, I expect the same of people. It's not that hard to ask the owner and introduce yourself appropriately to both owner and dog.

    A dog that is not exactly enthusiastic over being petted by strangers is acceptable, I do not believe it's a sign of failure for a dog not to get waggly bummed over a stranger coming over to pet them. But they do need to tolerate it. Even if tolerating it is standing there, without reaction, they can back off, wander away, just get a distant look in their eye, but there should be no aggression.
     
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    Dave doesn't do cuddles really, he hates to be in close contact unless it is just his head on your knee.

    He LOVES anyone that comes into the house and if he REALLY loves them they get one lick on the cheek or ear.

    He gets between me and any stranger out on a walk and he moves me/us away from close crowds. If a Drunk is walking towards us on a walk Dave actually makes himself look twice as big!

    He growls at the vet and then wee's on the floor before making friends with him and is fine for the vet to examine him.

    Walk up the shared alleyway between us and next door however, where it looks like you are headed for my house and he barks, snarls and shows hes teeth I don't doubt he would chase anyone off that tried to come in but if I say quiet then he is fine (no one lives there now but the council use to come and tend to the ladys grass and hedge once in a while so it was unusual for ppl to be there and they were always different people).


    Dixie does not like strange children invading her space, she is OK if she can approach them but she will hide behind my legs and then growl if they try to come up to her, because she was hurt by some child when I had to run into tesco once when she was younger (trust me I wouldnt have if it could have waited).

    I know to read her signs and I always make sure I tell the parent of the child and keep myself between said child and Dixie but I had one woman telling someone my dog went for her child! (she may have bared her teeth but that is how Dixie growls!). I told her outright infront of the person she was telling, that if she was paying any attention to me telling her my dog does not like children in her face, and removed her child who was literally stalking my dog, then she would not have growled, my dog has never ever gone for anyone and that she needed to learn how to control her child! She walked off but I later found out they had their Husky PTS becuase it nipped the child no doubt because the child was annoying the dog (she use to poke the dog in the face and the parents laughed).


    If anyone goes to stroke my dogs without asking I will stop them and ask do they not know they are supposed to ask if its OK first, but I make sure I say something like incase it gives the dog a fright or it has a pain somewhere incase they get offensive about not having aggressive dogs.
    Thankfully Dixie is not the snapping kind because in the Vets once a lad leaned over and stroked her ear, the one with the infection and she squealed! (his mum told him off for not asking lol)
     
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  15. Malmum

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    These guys like people they don't know, Kali unfortunately too much. She's the kind of dog if you're walking her late at night on your own that you may feel a little unsafe with as she'll go put of her way to be noticed :rolleyes: Flynn is perfect, likes attention but never asks for it and doesn't go all silly with people, yet people still offer him their face to kiss which to me is madness with such a huge dog!
    Marty is wary of people and I blame my daughter (his mum) for that, she's always been scared he may bite, don't know why as he great at the vets and goes to the grooming parlour - it's all tight lead and "I'd rather you didn't touch him" so now he isn't too friendly when he's with her, if my son takes him out he's completely different and so is Marty. Shame as he's such a lovely soppy dog.

    Funny thing is people tend not to pet the little dogs and I think it's in case they are snappy yet they'll take their chances with the big guys!
     
  16. dorrit

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    Remy is damaged and has real problems accepting stranger so people have to understand that but he is not aggressive its more that I see him tense into a scared position. With the nice children we have in the park he is learning to accept more..

    Benny does not like to be pulled and prodded.. but he will tolerate a stroke in the hope of getting food, when food isnt forthcoming he looses interest and will walk away.
    Oscar is ok with people ..esp children he loves the fuss..

    Most children will approach and ask 'may I pet your dogs' and mine are then quite happy to be stroked ...I hate people who dont ask and just grab at them..

    However Oscar will react differently at night or if I tense up..He has been the only thing between me and junkies or yobs a couple of times and at that point Im happy for him to be stranger aggressive...

    All mine bark if someone comes to the door or onto the property. Thats part of their job considering two of my (non dog owning) neighbours have been robbed I think thats a good thing..
     
  17. cinnamontoast

    cinnamontoast Sois pas chiant, chéri.

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    Brig doesn't mind people stroking him but will ignore them when out. The pups don't like strangers touching them and shrink away. The three of them are very cuddly in the house and anyone's dogs, just not outside. They're all used to being manoeuvred for vet stuff.
     
  18. Dogless

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    This is my main bugbear and it is the hardest one to manage; everyone tries to touch as they run past or actually follow trying to touch your dog - luckily offlead they can back off or duck away as Kilo invariably does (unless I have given a stranger a treat to give to him). Interestingly enough, if a complete stranger (only in that I haven't talked to them) offers one of their treats Kilo will spit it on the floor or just refuse it; if I have talked to someone he will take a treat.
     
  19. rona

    rona Still missing my boys

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    Alfie has perfected the side step :D
     
  20. Dober

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    My dobe is te cuddliest do give ever met- with me and strangers. At dog shows he will try to lick the judges face if s/he bends down to check teeth! As far as confirmation goes, this would be considered a fault as the Doberman breed standard states they should be reserved wih strangers. I'd much rather this way than the other, however.

    I believe, with the exception of some dogs, it is down to poor socialisation as a puppy if your dog will not tolerate handling. As a puppy, I had friends frequently check my dogs mouth, paws, ears ect. I think your dog would know from you if someone you didn't want to touch him started to get uncomfortably close. I'm currently teaching my dog not to accept food from strangers, which is more difficult than it sounds!

    I believe the breed standard/akc guidelines for Dogos actually states that the judge should not touch the dog at all...
     
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