Appreciating grandad's viewpoint, about possiblitlies for a non-shock remote collar, it seems worth a different thread without the Punishment & Negative-Reinforcement possibilities, particularly electrical shock as a training aid. Can we try a different thread, to avoid the offensive and upsetting, shock based training method advocated out of heads? If this suits, I'll find the quotes from posts made in the other thread, that would be relevant. One suggested reason for a remote was for use for deaf dogs, with a vibrating collar. lfl described the problem with remote collar manufacturer's including shock prongs on their designs, apart from one collar (shown once on Victoria Stillwell's US program), where a remote speaker allowed verbal commands from a distance. I have mused theoretically (in Sci Fi way) on the morality, of some implmant that for example positively manipulated the animal, with small release of say dopamine, or oxytocin. I am not sure that causing rewarding good feeling would necessarily be moral and ethical, even if it did not have withdrawal sideffects like Heroine does say. On other hand, conscious training is a form of manipulation. I think there are dangers in remote button pushing, it's easy to become thoughtless with apparently simple things, and I must admit I have clicked incorrectly in clicker training at times, but at least there the consequences are minor due to the gradual reinforcement and proofing.