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Noisey puppies!!

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by amy_lou_79, Jan 16, 2008.


  1. amy_lou_79

    amy_lou_79 PetForums Junior

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    Since yesterday two of my puppies out of five have been getting beside themselves and haven't stopped barking, crying, whinging! They have been at it for nearly 2 hours this morning and I don't know what to do. They aren't happy at all and I don't think my neighbours will be either!
    I have removed mum from them and I am wondering if its that? The reason for this is they are 6 weeks old and I want Mum's milk to dry up and for her to start putting the weight back on instead of looking like a rescue dog, bless her. They can't be hungry as I have seen them eating.
    Any ideas?
     
  2. bullbreeds

    bullbreeds PetForums VIP

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    Hi, it could be a number of thing really.
    They could be pining for mum if you'v recently took her away, especially if you didnt wean them gradually.
    Its like having a new born baby. Just go through a list of things that could be upsetting them.
    Check your feeding the right amount and at the right times as they might still be hungry.
    I usually feed mine a puppy milk after each feed to compensate for the lack of mothers milk.
    Check theyve been wormed correctly.
    Make sure theyre warm, plenty of clean bedding / blankets etc..
    You could also try a hot water bottle wrapped in a blanket. I find my pups love this in the winter.
    Also try adding a few toys to keep them ocupied, they might be bored!
    I hope this has helped a bit if you hadnt already thought of these things.
    Let us know how you get on.
    Best wishes.
     
  3. kaz

    kaz PetForums Junior

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    I find that the mum knows when to wean her pups and will begin to limit her time with them. The pups probably still need her occasionally at 6 weeks. Is the mum happy to be separated from them? Let her have a few minutes with them but be able to jump out of the pen to get away from them when she wants to.
     
  4. amy_lou_79

    amy_lou_79 PetForums Junior

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    Mum doesn't want to be with them. I let her in yesterday and she didn't want them to suckle her and wanted to be away from them.
    I have done it gradually keeping her away.
    They are warm and they are eating.
     
  5. bullbreeds

    bullbreeds PetForums VIP

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    Its funny, some bitches tend to know when its time to wean their pups.
    What about a few chews? I usually cut up some of these pedigree twist things so they can have a bit each.
     
  6. amy_lou_79

    amy_lou_79 PetForums Junior

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    She likes to see them and play with them but when she goes to them they go mental and want to suckle but she doesn't tell them not to and just walks around with them attatched to her!
    They are 6 weeks and I gather they shouldn't still be suckling?
     
  7. bullbreeds

    bullbreeds PetForums VIP

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    Now is an ok time to stop them feeding from her. I think at this stage they will just make her sore if theyr dangling from her. It takes teeth to grip on really well! I would suplement her milk with a puppy milk until they go to their new homes tho.
     
  8. BredaKim

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    We let ours suckle the bitch till she wanted to stop (about 9 weeks) they stood to suckle as well as lying down. I understood this to be part of the balancing process that mom teaches her pups. She was happy to let this happen and we fed them meals as well....happy contented pups and mom!:D
     
  9. tilli121

    tilli121 PetForums Junior

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    i second what bredakim has said, this is what we did when we had a litter, also we found the pups made more noise as they got older as they didn't like being confined.
    we had them in the kitchen and we penned them into one half of it behind a board that was too high for them to escape from but low enough for mum to go into to feed them occasionally, we thought this would also make it easier for us to clean up after them but by 5 weeks they were walking in the mess (i did have the puppy training pads down too) as they were bigger and taking up more space, they cried and cried to get out to us so we pulled the divider down, once they had the run of the kitchen they were a lot happier and quieter and it was actually easier to mop up 2 or 3 smaller puddles or deposits than cleaning up one big mess, we also then opened the back door so they could go out to do their business and they were all going out into the garden to do their business by about 6 weeks. feeding time was better this way too as they saw us preparing their meal and they used to sit in a line behind whoever was preparing their dinner at the sink and wait and then they would trot behind us to the other side of the kitchen or out into the garden for their food rather than knocking it out of our hands as we tried to put it down amongst them in the pen, by the time they left us they were more or less toilet trained and quite laid back. loved having them, shame we couldn't keep them all.
     
  10. kaz

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    Tilli 121 - that sounds as though the puppies had a wonderful start in life. Did you get any feedback from the homes that they went to?
     
  11. tilli121

    tilli121 PetForums Junior

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    we kept in touch with all the owners, sadly one of them handed their pup into dogs trust after they split up despite having an agreement with us that should anything happen they would contact us so we could take the pup back, by the time we found out about this the pup was about to be rehomed. dogs trust have kindly let us know how she is doing and have sent us copies of pictures they received but we now have no contact with this pups owners so she was the only one not to get a birthday card last year. sometimes no matter how hard you try to find a good home things don't work out and this puts me off having any more litters. from what we have been told she has a lovely home now but whenever i write to dogs trust i always write that if she came back to them to please let us know, i feel very bad that she spent 5 weeks in kennels and we didn't even know and will never forgive her previous owners for this.
    we saw a couple of the pups just before christmas and they are much loved by their owners and doing really well, we also looked after one of the others for a week at the new year while his owners were on holiday, he is now enormous but very loving and has a lovely temperment. its a shame we wont be having any more as the litter have turned out to be lovely dogs.
     
  12. Brainless

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    Personally I never try and force the pace of weaning. A bitch will wen her pups when she chooses and most breeders I know never restrict a bitches access to puppies except at meal times.

    Of course the bitch must always be able to get away from the pups when she wants.

    Despite this I have had my bitches fit to be shown as regards undercarriage and body condition at 12 weeks after whelping, though in my breed the earliest they will have any coat will be 4 months after whelping.

    Unfortunately the 6 to 8 week stage when final weaning occurs pups can be very noisy and not want to accept that they cannot feed from Mum, and have not yet learnt that screaming like demented seagulls does not get them the desired attention. This is the stage I live on a knife edge regarding neighbours. ;):eek:

    I have found by 10 weeks they are much quieter as their training and socialisation progresses, and of course some or most will have gone to their new homes by then.
     
  13. Brainless

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    This is one reason I have all my pups ear tattooed and impress on the new owners that they can be traced to me, so they are less likely to try and get rid of the pup without reference to me as per teh contract.

    If they did the rescue can easily contact me, or I can check it is one of mine if one appears at a centre.

    My mentor advised me to do this after a bitch pup a dear friend of hers bred ended up in a rescue where fortunately one of the workers knew that the breeders were mostly ethical.

    With the small numbers we breed it was easy to work out who bred her from her age and location, and she came to my friend who had bred the mother, and was made into a champion within her first three shows.
     
  14. Brainless

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    I agree entirely I have found there is no way I can keep pups in my breed even when the litter is small penned up beyond about 4 1/2 weeks.

    They simply need more space and they need to get outside to run about and get fresh air.

    I do have a kennel and safe run adjoining the kitchen where growing pups can spend time while most lively coming in for chilling out and socialisation throughout the day. This also means that pups are largely house trained, especially for poos by the time they leave me. It is also easier to keep puppy quarters clean if you can swap them between outdoor and indoor quarters while you do it.

    A friend last year reared a litter without any outside shelter for the pups but a secure patio, and found it really hard going as the pups wanted to be outside, but would fall asleep on the cold concrete rather than come back inside.

    So he built them a little house to use, so they could lie up off the ground, some of them still insisted on piling into the stone planters for a kip.

    It was also freezing keeping the back door open all the time, or in his case the patio doors.

    They absolutely hated being put into their puppy pen, which was a good large one, and I have seen people with different/smaller breeds use until the pups have gone to new homes.

    This is why I find it so hard to advise on actual puppy rearing as it can vary so much depending on breed.
     
  15. sammy1

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    My Bitch weaned when she was ready.
    she had the chance to leave the puppies when ever she wanted and even when they where on soilds they still tried every now and then to have a suck but mum would just walk away ,yes some times dragging them along.
    They soon stopped sucking on her and are great little guys and gal now at 13 weeks old and don`t even bother with mum now.
    Instead they love their dad and play with him all the time.
     
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