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No physical scars but we have a problem

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by sue&harvey, Jun 6, 2010.


  1. sue&harvey

    sue&harvey PetForums VIP

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    I put in a thread in Dog Chat about Harvey getting attacked the other day. Although he was fine at he time, shaken but not physically hurt, we now have an issue that I really need to nip in the bud before it escalates, and he gets to practice this behaviour.

    The day after he was attacked we walked the same route and met a GSD, when it approached Harvey he started boucning around, then screamed when the dog got near his. I walked on past although this dog kept coming near, and when it did Harvey would bounce around again. We managed to walk on with me cursing the other owner for not calling his dog off.

    I thought we would avoid larger dogs until Harvey can greet smaller ones appropiatly.

    Yesterday again on our normal walk an off lead CKC approached.. lovely friendly dog, and Harvey was replaced bu a frantic Tigger on the end of the long line. Same behaviour as the night before. I did not let him get near the dog, but walked the other way, as this is the exact behaviour which is going to get him attacked again.

    At the end there were 2 Labs and a westie playing in the field, about 10 meters from where we were. I got Harvey to sit even though he wanted to go play/ get nearer, and heavily rewarded calm behaviour, when he sat nicely.

    Harvey missed out on a lot of early socialisation as he and his litter mates were dumped at three weeks, and it took us a while to find a group of friendly dogs to join. He is great with dogs he knows well.

    Sorry for such a long post, but I really cannot have this escalating, and my biggest worry is if we need a behaviourist, they are going to be shock collar school of thought.

    Ideas and help please
    Thanks
     
  2. thedogsmother

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    When Henrick got attacked (by two lurchers) I eased him gently into being with dogs again, I got a dog friend of his to come on walks with us and for a while he let his friend make the introductions to new dogs, hes great with other dogs now although greyhound/lurcher type dogs do have him a bit tense he still is 100% better than he was. Have you got a friend with a dog who Harvey trusts who can accompany you on walks, maybe if he saw the other dog greeting new dogs and not being attacked he would realise it isnt a scary prospect.
     
  3. sue&harvey

    sue&harvey PetForums VIP

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    Thanks TDM. We walk with 3 other dogs daily. The one which is interested in other dogs is a Lab, she is off lead and Harvey is on a long line. Ella will go quite away ahead to say hi too another dog, and was near Harvey both when he was attacked and with the other two dogs. I know the owner wouldn't make Ella stay near, just because of Harvey, which is fair enough. Also even with Ella saying hi appropiatly Harvey was doing his Tigger impression, and the dog started to advance.

    Would I be better keeping him on his Mekuti for these walks, so he is close and easily controlable for calm behaviour around other dogs?


    Feel really crap about the whole thing at the moment, and want my bouncy and confident boy back :frown:
     
  4. leashedForLife

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    the mekuti might help for the short-term, try it + see...

    get a copy of Click to Calm + follow the DS / CC protocols in the back chapters - step-by-step, very safe + humane.
    hope he improves quickly, let us know how he gets on, please?
    --- terry
     
  5. sue&harvey

    sue&harvey PetForums VIP

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    Thanks Terry, I will try on the Mekuti tonight. I don't want to restrict him too much but displaying this sort of behaviour is going to get him into big trouble. I'll have to have a good look around for a cheap copy of click to calm, they were a bit expensive on amazon, and shifts are slow in coming at the mo. Everything always happens at once :rolleyes:

    Hope I can find a copy and get it shipped ASAP.
    :001_unsure:
     
  6. Burrowzig

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    If you decide to get in a behaviourist, just ask them what methods they use, what they think of shock collars, and tell them you would not let them use these methods on your dog. He who pays the piper calls the tune. If they are working for you, they do it on your terms and you don't have to worry one jot about asking them. If they don't give the answers you like, there are plenty of other behaviourists out there for you to choose from. Maybe your vet could reccommend one.
     
  7. leashedForLife

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    sue;s on Grand Canary, hun -
    i am not sure there is more than one to call on. ;)

    a long-distance consult with a vet-behaviorist is always an option -
    the local vet does any phys-exams, and acts as go-between for the Vet-Beh + owner; the Vet-beh writes the protocol
    + makes any adjustments while its in process; and the owner gives any meds that may be Rx and does the B-Mod as directed.

    they use video to see whats going on with the dog + owner, other dogs, environs, and any other factors.
    this is at least a consult with a highly-qualified behavioral specialist - not someone who had a nice certificate printed
    as a blank, and then paid a calligraphist to ink their name in the space. ;)

    i hope Harvey is relaxing some,
    --- terry
     
  8. sue&harvey

    sue&harvey PetForums VIP

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    Thanks to you both. Sadly I think Terry maybe right and I will be lucky to get one that even speaks English. I will ask the vet and the rescue home too though.

    Just been on our walk. I kept have on his Mekuti, he wasn't too bothered at not having so much freedom. Thankfully it was fairly quiet. He and his westie friend had a bit of a spat but nothing physical. The westie can be a bit grumpy but it is unusual for Harvey to answer back.

    Then we met a beautiful rough collie, and Harvey managed to stay calm and have a propper greeting. This dog was exceptionally placid. What a beauty though, He has good taste. :001_cool:

    I am still very concerned at his general behaviour with the other incidents. I really dont want him to become fear aggressive.

    I did manage to retain his attention as 2 other dogs passed at about 4 meter distance.... ham is great! But I do seem to attract a gready Lab and a few other dogs :rolleyes:

    I will have a think about the vet Behaviourist though.... any suggestions on where best to look?

    Many thanks again :)
     
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