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  1. zmancb7

    zmancb7 PetForums Newbie

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    This is just a copy/paste from my intro thread:

    Hello all,

    My name is Frank and currently I am housing a Labrador Pit Bull mix for a friend who can't have him in her apartment.

    Besides a couple fish and a guinea pig, I got my first "real" pet this past summer. A baby tuxedo cat. He lives at home with my mom while I'm at school. I cared for him all summer and he is a fun, energetic and lovable kitten at almost 5 months right now.

    I recently moved into the Fraternity house in college where I've lived for the past year and a friend asked me about housing her puppy. It's a weird situation regarding why she'd get one without a home for it but I have the room and time for it, plus I've always wanted a dog so I agreed.

    I live in a decent sized bedroom with a 4 story house that has plenty of yard space as well as an indoor room used for meetings large enough for indoor exercise.

    The puppy's name is Elliot and he is now 7 weeks old. He was born with worms and already has his 1st dewormer.

    Right now his crate is in my room and he sleeps there and is in there when I'm out and will be in there when I'm in class.

    Now that the intro is out of the way, a few questions:

    Should I ask the following in the dog chat section or will I get answers here?

    1. I know nothing of raising dogs, having just raised my kitty this summer but I want to train it well and ensure he gets everything he needs while he's with me. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do differently given my unique housing situation?

    2. He is going to be (and already is) a very social pup. We have 25 guys living in the house and people come and go non stop, especially with parties as you can imagine.

    3. How should I handle the worm situation? I've been told to tell people to wash their hands after he licks them and not to let him lick their mouth. I found this weird since my kitten was also born with worms (as I was told they all were) and no one ever said anything about them being transferred. Should I keep advising people about the worms or is it ok? I read that he shouldn't lick or play with young children or other dogs until he's better (which I've been doing).

    4. POTTY TRAINING. Everyone's favorite. I take him outside pretty often and he normally pees/poops outside which I then praise him for, sometimes giving a treat in return. There have been a few instances of him peeing/ pooping in the house.
    -He peed in my room his first night here.
    -He peed in his crate where he sleeps twice in the past 4 days. I only notice when I wake up to feed him.
    -He's peed in the hallways of the house on our way to go potty outside.
    -He's peed and pooped in someone else's room once.

    He really doesn't show any signs of wanting to go to the bathroom. He might whine in his sleep but I've never heard him. Am I doing something wrong or is it just a puppy thing?

    5. How much should I be feeding him with the worms? The vet said he is underweight for his age because of the worms. The owner told me to give him a quarter cup of food 3 times a day, but she then said to give a little more because of the worms.

    6. He is entering his teething stage. He bites everything as all dogs do I assume. I tell him sternly NO BITING and give him a chew toy instead. Lately, it's becoming more random so I've been hold his head down, looking him in the eyes and sternly saying no biting. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a better way to control this behavior while he's still young?

    7. Everyone says that he is going to love me and probably prefer me over the original owner. I'm not sure of that yet because whenever she comes over he knows who she is above everyone else in this house and he's spent a couple nights over at her place. How can I make sure that I stay an authoritative figure as well as give her tips on how she can be large and in charge? I love this dog and will be sad when he leaves but I know it is her dog and she needs to be the main figurehead.

    All in all, he is the cutest puppy and although it sounds awful, I love him just about as much as I love my kitten, maybe even more. I'm just not used to the amount of attention I get from him, it's really rewarding for him to show so much love.

    So for now, I'm scouring the internet for advice on dog care in general as well as for the breed and I hope you guys can help me out with some more specific stuff.

    Sorry for all the text but I feel I had a lot to go over/ explain. Thanks in advance for all the advice.
     
  2. Lauren5159

    Lauren5159 Lover of Terriers, loser of the plot.

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    Hi Frank and welcome to PF :)

    It's fun here and there are lots and lots of experienced dog owners :)

    Firstly, I recommend you get a few books about puppies and give them a read. Secondly, the main thing I picked up on was the breed... For a first timer that's a whole lot of dog... But I bet he's gorgeous (pictures please).

    In going to start by saying please, please do not hold the puppy's head and stare him in the eye when he is biting. Being confrontational is not the best way. What worked with puppies I've had in the past, was a loud 'squeak' like you were another puppy and got hurt. This is usually a shock and stops them in their tracks... Think purely positive reinforcement. Treat and praise the good things, ignore or redirect the bad...

    As for potty training. You really need to get in to a routine... I started by taking puppy out every 30 minutes on the dot (set an alarm on your phone). When he does the toilet outside, praise and treat him.
    This also depends on how long you are gone trough the day but as soon as you get home, puppy goes straight outside.
    Through the night you may, initially have to get up every couple of hours to let puppy outside... Slowly progress so that he is holding his bladder for longer periods of time... Praise and treats are the main thing.

    You said he gets lots of socialisation with people, but you have to carry that on to dogs too (obviously when he's old enough and worm free)...

    Start training as soon as you get the puppy (I know he's not really yours but for now, he is)... Teach things like 'sit', 'lay down' and 'stay'. Building a solid foundation now will help everything in the future :)

    There are some great puppy books on amazon, have a look, read the reviews and buy a couple... They will help.

    Stay away from anything that talks about dominance, alpha or pack mentality eg pack leader... That theory is outdated, harmful and wrong.

    The main thing about the pup is to enjoy him... Puppyhood doesn't last long :)

    Praise, treats, reinforcing good behaviour, patience, love, training and mental and physical stimulation is what will get you there.

    Sorry, I don know much about the worms situation but I'm sure others will.

    Good luck, upload some pics and keep us posted. We're always here if you need help x
     
  3. tabulahrasa

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    Did you say he's 7 weeks old and you're his second owner?
     
  4. Lilylass

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    Out of curiosity (and it may help with some of the responses you get moving forwards) - are you in the States?


    Re worms - personally I'd be taking him to the vet for a general check up and they'll be able to give you some worming stuff (vets in the UK usually do a free puppy / kitten check so might be worth checking out)

    Ohhhh - just noticed you've already been to the vet - did they not give you something to get rid of the worms?

    Re potty training - you need to take him outside really frequently at the start - certainly whenever he wakes up / after he's eaten and probably at least once an hour (and maybe more just now) at first

    Praise him when he goes outside but don't punish him if he has an accident - as that's exactly what it is .....

    Re sociability - I'd get him enrolled in puppy classes as soon as he's old enough to go

    He really is very young to be away from his mother ..... best of luck with him & there's always great advice & support on here
     
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    :shocked: Is this for real?
     
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    :frown2: I have to agree with the above and anyway what sort of life will the poor dog have if always stuck in the crate. I think the poor pup will get very bored very quickly.
     
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    How long is the pup staying with you? What is the original owner planning to do to get him back?
     
  8. shirleystarr

    shirleystarr PetForums VIP

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    he is 7 weeks old and the owner cant have him in her apartment?
    why get a puppy if you cant have it in your home don't make sense to me at all :mad2:
     
  9. Sled dog hotel

    Sled dog hotel PetForums VIP

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    I did reply on your other thread so have included the link here.

    http://www.petforums.co.uk/introductions/321976-new-college-pet-owner.html
     
  10. Apollo2012

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    obviously the dog isn't stuck in the crate all the time at college/uni you don't go to lectures all day there usually random time slots/days where you are in lectures for a couple hours (im in the uk that's what we do here so im guessing it happens there as well). there's nothing wrong with crating a puppy at night either or if you have to pop out I was lucky enough to have a big enough bedroom I was able to block of and cover in puppy pads but most people crate train at night.

    Frank I would say your doing really well for a first time pet owner/carer. in regard to the worms I would discourage him licking as cute as it is, if he has a heavy worm burden there is more of a chance licking can transfer the worms to people, so try not to allow him to lick and like your already doing tell people to wash wherever he has licked them if he does and you should be ok, I got my boy when my daughter was a year old, he was full of worms and I spent months freaking out that my daughter might get them and she didn't.

    Toilet training again take him out every 30mins-1 hour, after food and after sleeping, at night time try take him out every couple of hours, its hard I know but they build up bladder control quite quickly so it wont be for long. also like someone else said don't punish him for going inside, just clean it up and walk away, but praise for going outside

    Socialising, its great that he likes people and is happy to have people around all the time but he will need socialising with other dogs as soon as he is able to be walked or if you know any dogs who are fully vaccinated and friendly bringing them round for him to play with would be good.

    Training in general, don't believe anything about dominance theories, with the chewing try and substitute for something appropriate for him to chew, rubber toys, rope toys etc and if he chews on you say 'ow' loudly and move yourself away he will realise that he doesn't like the response for biting it's the same as a puppy yelping to them saying that's enough. you can also get things to spray on wires ect that taste bad so discourage chewing though that can be expensive, I found the best thing during the chewing stage was hide everything and leave nothing on the floor except his own toys, I lost 4 phone chargers, a pair of hair straightners, Nintendo ds console, various teddies of my daughters and a few other things during my boys chewing stage.
     
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  11. 2Hounds

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    Are you allowed to keep a dog at the fraternity house, just surprised they allow students pets?

    I've not done the puppy stage so will let others advise, but does the friend have a plan to take care of it properly or will it become your responsibility?
     
  12. springerpete

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    I'm sorry my friend, I'm sure you have all of the best intentions but I have to say that this just doesn't seem to be an ideal situation for the pup, or for that matter, yourself. Perhaps it may be best for all concerned if you were to find a home for the youngster with someone in a more stable situation who can give more time to him.
     
  13. zmancb7

    zmancb7 PetForums Newbie

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    I'll get some pics up ASAP and thanks for all the help.

    He is 7 weeks old and I guess you could say I'm a co-owner. The girl who got him bought him from a breeder. We are his first home.

    Yes I am in the states and yes he's gotten his first de-worm vaccination. If it's anything like my kitty, he should be worm free in about 2 months. I was just curious if it's as contagious as everyone thinks for the time being.

    Everyone keeps saying he's too young to be away from his mom but I got my cat when he was only a month old so I didn't know if dogs were different.

    Finally, he will be enrolled in training classes when he's of age.

    Yes it is, please don't doubt. Pics will follow below.

    It will probably be in a crate for a total of 2 hours a day, and of course when sleeping. That's just how our class schedule works out.

    He will be with me for at least the semester. When she finds a new apartment she will take him back. He has spent a couple nights with her, she just doesn't want to risk her contract with the landlady.

    Yea didn't make sense to me either but I look at it as a learning opportunity. She already has a dog back home so it's not new to her, but since I've never been able to own a dog, I thought this was the perfect chance.

    Thank you so much!

    Thanks for all that, a lot of good stuff. There are actually 3 other dogs in my Fraternity. They don't live in the house but they are close by. He's met 2 of them but not face to face, I was carrying him since I didn't want them to get worms. I've been wrong for the biting part as I mentioned. I'll stop that right away. I always gave him his toys as an alternative though.
     
  14. zmancb7

    zmancb7 PetForums Newbie

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    Our house is technically off campus and there have been a variety of pets here before so yes it is allowed. The owner already has a dog at her house, she just wanted one for school I guess so she knows how to take care of it. She just needed a home for the time being until she gets a new apartment.

    That's your opinion and I can see where you're coming from but I actually have a lot of time to give to him. As others said, my classes aren't in blocks, they're spread out so he will be in his crate for probably 2 hours max since I have time in between classes.

    Also, just to clarify, he is living with me but he is not only under my care. His owner will come in when she's free and do everything with him if I'm not there. There are also other brothers who have expressed interest in helping out. Trust me when I say the last thing he'll need is attention.


    That was so much good information, thanks so much. I will take everything that was said and use it to make him the best puppy ever/


    As requested, here are some pics of Elliot:

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  15. zmancb7

    zmancb7 PetForums Newbie

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    A few more questions:

    Bugs. I'm in upstate New York and there are quite a few gnats and mosquitoes around this time of year. Should I be concerned? Whenever we're outside, there's always a few around him and they get close to his eyes but I try to swat them away, especially if he's trying to nap. What about bees and other things? Safe to leave him alone or should I keep the bugs away?

    Eating stuff he shouldn't. Every time I take him outside he tries to eat EVERYTHING. I know this is normal for all animals as my kitten has gone through the same stage. he seemed smarter about it though and stays indoors. Elliot on the other hand eats rocks, bark, sticks, mulch, grass, roots. I try to prevent from swallowing any of it but he's slipped a few past me. About the grass, I heard mixed things about dogs eating it. I've kept dead leaves and broken plants away but sometimes some grass blades make it through.

    He's usually pretty good about potty time now that he's been with me for almost a week but he still does some odd things. He doesn't go within the time limit I've seen other dogs go. We just sat outside and he did nothing for 30min. He lay in my lap for a bit. Chewed on his toy and some big sticks. I tried to play more with him to get his energy out but he just kept laying down. Meanwhile I was being bitten all over by insects. I come back inside to wash my hands and leave him in my room, within 2 minutes he pees.

    Now he's playing around with his chew toys, biting boxes and hands (which I am practicing the "OW" thing and telling everyone else to do as well). The one thing I need to work on is not saying his name all the time.

    I'm really confuzzled, I didn't punish him for the pee accident but I just don't understand him yet.
     
  16. shirleystarr

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    Be very careful if you see him trying to chew a rock take it off him asap the same with small sticks both of those if he swallows them may block his intestines and that's a very dangerous thing to happen
    As for he does not toilet in the time frame well most puppies don't that takes some time for them to learn
    many pups will pee on time then get lots of praise others will wait and then pee indoors It take time and you have only had him a week and you have done so much in that week Don't worry too much a pup is like a baby they take time patience dedication (which you obviously have) and repetition
    Not all things will fall into place in a week sounds like your doing well so far
    Don't get anxious about it puppy will sense your stress
    pups get very tired very easy 10 mins play at the most , they sleep a lot and when they wake up or after a meal that's the time to take him out for a poo or a pee
    hope this helps
     
  17. Sled dog hotel

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    Have a word with your vet there is likely an animal friendly bug repellent that you can use. There is something called a scalibor collar you can get in the UK that works on ticks, sandflies and biting adult mosquitos. Ive just checked you cant use it under 7 weeks of age, and you may have to be careful with using it in conjunction with other flea and tick treatments. Your vet will be the best to advise you whats available or whats safe to use as a repellent.
    You do need to be careful about bees and wasps, some dogs can get back reactions to stings like some people, and if they bite or try to catch them, a sting in the mouth or throat can cause breathing problems as it will cause the respiratory tract to swell.

    Most dogs will eat grass from time to time, usually the worse it does is make them immediately vomit. Eating stones and rocks is bad, as it can cause blockages of the digestive tract. Sticks too can cause mouth and throat injuries and get stuck. In the UK we have lung worm, that is transferred from infected slugs and snails, that would be the only worry really with grass that he may ingest a slug or sail with it if you have it in the States, if his parasite protection covers it though, then you should be OK.
    It can take some a time, the first successes outside are the most important, until you get those and ca begin the whole praise and treat thing, to re-enforce its the correct place and encourage more it can be hard. Sometimes keep taking them out for shorter periods gives you more of a chance, instead of taking them out infrequently for longer periods. They usually need to go when they have been asleep, eaten, or been playing, so ensure you get him out then.
    It will come with time you just need to be persistent and consistent with him and the training. He will learn some just take longer then others.
     
  18. tabulahrasa

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    He is too young to be away from his mother - in fact there are laws against selling a puppy under 8 weeks old in New York.

    You might want to read up on bite inhibition Sirius Dog Training and I'd be looking into what sort of socialization classes/puppy parties are available near you as they are the two things most likely to be affected by being removed early.

    Housetraining...he's a tiny baby, he hasn't got a clue what he's doing or any real control at the moment, what you're trying to do is get him to go outside as much as possible so that he works out at some point that that is where he's supposed to go. So outside after sleeping, after playing, after eating and every half hour he's awake in between those, praise him when he goes outside, ignore it if he has an accident indoors and he should get the hang of it in a few weeks.
     
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    Sled dog hotel PetForums VIP

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    He looks a sweet little pup, and so tiny, he does look very young too bless him.
     
  20. Lurcherlad

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    He is definitely cute ;)

    I asked if the post was real, because although it's not unusual for a newbie to come on and ask a few questions with regard to a new pet, and for there to be one or two points which are cause for concern - it is unusual for someone to post with such a long list of things that would be a cause for concern :eek:

    Still, lots of people have given you plenty of advice and it seems you are doing your very best for the little chap. I wish you and your pup luck for the future :)
     
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