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New Rules to Prevent Arguments on the Forum

Discussion in 'Cat Chat' started by tashi, Jun 13, 2011.


  1. tashi

    tashi PetForums VIP

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    Mark put this in general chat dated 14-06-2009, 08:54 AM please read and inwardly digest, may I also say that I am not the only one that does any banning on here, they are also NOT taken lightly and are discussed between us mods before it happens ;)

    New Rules to Prevent Arguments on the Forum

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    Hi All,

    Recently we have noticed certain people who often start petty arguments on threads and take the threads off topic which ruins the thread and ends up getting it closed.

    Please note that this will not be tolerated from now on and any arguments started on the open forum will be dealt with quickly to prevent it from happening again. For anyone who starts the argument and takes the thread off topic, they will firstly be given an infraction, if they continue, they will be given a 1 day ban as a cooling off period. After this ban, if they continue they will be given a 2 week ban and then a permanent ban from using the forum.

    When a member is banned, any pm's from users to mods or admin regarding the ban will be ignored and any threads started as to why a member is banned will result in an infraction and then a ban for the thread starter and the thread will be deleted. Any decisions made to ban a user by admin or a mod should be respected.

    Also, when a mod has made a decision to remove a thread for any reason, which is usually cause it is argumentative or detrimental to the forum, could we please not create a new thread about why the old thread was deleted. It would have been deleted for a good reason. If you have any questions about it, then pm a mod.

    Please note that these rules have been created to stop the petty arguments that have been hapenning on the forum which get out of control and put our visitors off joining this forum.

    Many Thanks for your understanding
    Mark
     
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  2. hobbs2004

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    I do appreciate that rules are needed to keep forum life in line and ticking along nicely but personally I think these near "Orwellian" rules come close to gagging orders and create nothing but bad blood if one is not allowed to discuss why people one knows get banned.

    I guess the current solution is to take all these discussions to pm, which keeps the forum "clean" but I think that is such a back-handed way of dealing with things. And the pf community is not dealing with it but it all becomes secret whispers. Is it worth all this to keep a "clean" forum?
     
  3. GreyHare

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    Surely if you want us to deny the existence of banned member then maybe all their posts should be wiped out as well :rolleyes::
     
  4. westie~ma

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    The plain fact is that the forum is losing members, hence the reasoning behind posting these rules.

    It would take far too long to delete all posts of banned members, especially as most bannings are temporary.
     
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    Guys as you can see these rules were originally put up by Mark.... We only follow them through..

    Now surely if you have issues with the rules, you need to PM Mark.. (petforum).. :D
     
  6. hobbs2004

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    However, the plain fact also is that pre-existing members are getting ticked off because history is being rewritten (a tad polemic I know but hey) when threads get moved into the moderating ether; not just simply locked, and when one isn't even allowed to discuss why certain members have been banned (albeit most often only temporarily). I cannot see the relevance of either of those to keeping (new) members.
     
  7. tashi

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    The rule is there, something that Mark set up to try to help us out.

    Can I just point out that moderating this forum is not an easy task, we dont get paid a penny - we dont get much thanks off the membership - we try to keep things without getting too harsh with the moderating and we do try to get it right. Obviously we do miss things on times, we are also human so yes on times we get it wrong. We also have lives outside the forum ;)
     
  8. hobbs2004

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    So do we "normal" posters. We also don't get paid to put our knowledge or advice on here for others to benefit. ;)
     
  9. holly2009

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    I think its a great idea to refresh peoples memories old members and new!

    As a forum we should all post buy the rules, they are there for a reason, it keeps threads on topic & hopefully continues to build new members on the forum (rather than scaring them all off)

    All the recent bannings have been a long time coming in my opinion.
    (MOD please remove if inapropriate)
     
  10. hobbs2004

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    But the rules make it clear that any pms to you guys or to Mark about people being banned will not be answered. So, what is the point. I am actually surprised this thread is still going and hasn't been moderated and locked.
     
  11. tashi

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    I cannot say anymore I too was a normal poster once and I never got paid for my knowledge or advice but then I joined and chose to help people, chose to offer help and advice, I was asked to take the post of mod but still I do help out when not moderating
     
  12. westie~ma

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    You know full well that threads are moved to moderating section so that the unacceptable posts can be edited.

    Nowhere on the forum (not just the cat section) is talk about banned members allowed.

    What goes on in the cat section is losing members. We've had discussions before about giving advice and passing on knowledge in a reasonable manner, members have warnings and bannings and still come back on with the same bad attitude.

    Other than posting a reminder of the rules what do you want us to do about the situation, a mass banning???
     
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    When we all joined we all agreed to the T&C.. I personally still see myself as a member.. And will quite happily offer any support or advice that is needed..

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    For the most part, the moderators and staff who run this Pet Forum are unpaid volunteers. These people have stepped up from the community to help make this a better place for all visitors, including YOU! Arguing, intimidating, or otherwise harassing the Pet Forums members of staff will not be tolerated in any way shape or form. Posting on these forums is considered a privilege, and is NOT a right. Likewise, we maintain the right to disallow, prohibit, ban, eject, delete, or otherwise refuse service to anyone who won't abide by our rules listed on these pages.

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    Although the staff and moderators of the Pet Forum will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and the owners of the Forums will not be held responsible for the content of any message.

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    If any member has an issue or problem with any member of the forum, moderator, staff or forum policy, then please contact the forum administrator using the 'Contact Us' link at the top and bottom of any page on the forum. Any dispute posted on the forum will be removed as soon as it is seen my a member of staff. Disputes or concerns are often easily resolved, yet have the tendency to go out of control on the forum and do not portray a welcoming face to new and other existing members alike.
     
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  14. hobbs2004

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    No, I think it should just all be a little more transparent. When people want to discuss members who have been banned then why shouldn't they allowed to do that?

    I don't think that these rules - not being allowed to even mention banned members, let alone discuss them, and threads just disappearing into the moderating ether (with some resurfacing later, others don't) - is of benefit to new or old members and that it helps keep them. As I said earlier, imo it creates the opposite ambience - a bad taste in people's mouth.
     
  15. momentofmadness

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    Stated previously.. PM Petforum...
     
  16. holly2009

    holly2009 Guest

    You read the rules....you know why they have been banned, pretty simple, whats to discuss? threads about banned members is helpful to nobody imo
     
  17. Well I for one will never contribute to another serious thread! All you will get from me form today onwards is CR*p! if ya can't beat em join em!:f
     
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    Quite funny really mentioning about being paid to give advice.. I used to get paid plenty of money as a qualified riding instructor.. Also got paid plenty for backing and schooling.. :)
    Oh yeah and judging at shows.. and designing show jumping courses... I also used to do it all for free.. :)
    I come on here by choice.. :)
     
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  19. westie~ma

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    It's negative, tittle-tattle IMO.

    Some of the things I've seen in the cat section lately (also in other sections, granted ;)) leave a bad taste too.

    I know mods try to do their best to return threads as soon as possible, but sometimes they can't be. I'm sure this happens in most forums :)
     
  20. hobbs2004

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    Indeed, and that was my point. We come on here to voluntarily and freely give our advice (solicited or unsolicited) and you guys also voluntarily give your time to do some moderating. But we are in the same boat - we all choose to do what we do on here for free and because we want to. So, the argument that mods also have lives outside of pf and don't get paid for their moderating is nil and void imo. That was my point. Sorry, I didn't make it clearer.
     
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