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Hey, i have read thru a few posts and so i feel kinda bad that the moderators and other folk are going to sigh heavily and repeat their oft repeated advice. I had my 1 year old kittens neutered 2 ish weeks ago. They are both around 3kg in weight and i was advised that they should go on a light neutered dry food to prevent them gaining weight.

Then i read some posts, and as i had already read some posts last year, i had turned them into orijen dry food eating cats.

after they came back from the vet, i got them (as vet advised) royal canine neutered cat food...i hadnt ever thought much of them, just from reading their ingredients list, but even the guy in the pet shop said i shouldnt feed them high protein diets, as they can't digest them now.

It seems from the posts, that i should disregard this advice, and continue to feed them orijen as well as wet food? which i do as well, not the crappy supermarket brands, but try to get them high meat content with less of crap fillers.

so to reiterate:
1) should i continue feeding them orijen despite vet's advice about getting 'neutered dry food'

many thanks! i chose my username so you all have to call me 'dahling'

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Hello dahling (MAS)

A sigh indeed; but not at you at the vet!

Yep I'm a HUGE proponent of not feeding dry at all and if you do feed dry at least feed Orijen or the like.

I assume you've read my missives if you've trawled the forum (if not I'll post again but it's long)

Wet all the way and certainly not dry neutered food.
 

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Hi Dahling!:D

I cannot imagine why the guy in the petshop should say that now your cats are neutered they can no longer digest a high protein diet!! Complete tosh, neutering has nothing to do with how well they digest protein. Cats are obligate carnivores and are designed to digest a high protein diet.. What they are not designed to digest (whether neutered or not) is a diet full of carbs, which is what most dry foods contain.

As Spid advises, if you really want to feed some dry food, then choose a good quality grain free make such as Orijen, Acana, Applaws or Porta 21.

But your cats would be much better on a high protein wet food diet, as they are less likely to become overweight that way.
 

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thank you so much for your help, any wet food you particularly endorse? i know i am asking that which has already been asked many'a time! although today after reading some posts here i bought 'anaconda' haha, (just kidding that's what i call it tho)...'animonda' i meant! it seems it had the best overall score re ingredients....
 

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Hello there,

Firstly if you can try to get them off the dry - they do love it - but we like cake but don't eat it all the time! It's full of completely unnecessary carbs that are there to bulk the food out and make it cheaper for the manufacturers to produce. Add to that that cats find it incredibly hard to metabolise you end up paying for them to poop it out. The additives and sugars that are in dry are a contributory factor to feline obesity.
Also dry is incredibly dehydrating for cats as cats have evolved to get 99% of their fluids from their prey and so have no natural thirst drive. For each 50g of dry they eat they need about 1/2 pint of water to counteract the dehydrating effects. Even with a water fountain most cats find this a hard amount of water to drink.
Dehydration can lead to kidney problems, UTIs and crystals forming in the bladder. This is especially bad for neutered boys (no idea why neutered) but boys because they have a longer urethral tract and often the crystals get stuck in their willy when they try to pass them and it is incredibly painful. Obviously not all cats will get this - but you have to weigh up the risks and decide to do what is best for you.

The worst wet is better than the best dry. Yes even Whiskas and Felix!

For wet the higher the meat percentage the better. I like to feed anything above 60% but tend to go for 97% or more, watch out for the offal content though.

I personally feed a mixture of raw, Bozita, Aminonda Carny (was feeding Smilla but it's just changed and I won't be buying it again), and Grau, I have fed Natures Menu and Hi-life in the past, and probably will again to replace the Smilla. Other good ones are Petnatur, Tiger etc. These foods are found either at Pet Supplies, Pet Food, Dog Food, Cat Food and Pet Accessories at Zooplus or other german suppliers. Other have ordered from the other suppliers but I haven't had the courage yet. Nature's Menu can be found at [email protected] as can Hi-life.

If you really need to feed dry - look at Orijen, Applaws, and Acana - these are grain free.

As with all good food they may seem more expensive (wet and dry) to begin with, but you feed less and they poop less, AND it's a lot less smelly.

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I suppose it's all about risk.

Many people will quote the old lady down the road who smoked like a chimney, drank a quart of scotch a day, never exercised in her life and lived to be a 100. But they omit to tell you about the 50 others that fell by the wayside along the way. You did really well with your cat. But . . . and here's the crunch; was it a solely indoor cat fed ONLY that and not supplementing it's diet outside. If it was you got lucky, if it wasn't then the natural food it ate helped it along.

It's a very difficult and potentially contentious subject - pet foods have taken off in the last 25 years - the market is now HUGE and not enough adequate research has been done into the health effects and benefit of all these foods. The research that has been done is rarely independent and never long term. When we had my first cats they ate what was there, there were no dry foods, they hunted to supplement their diet (in fact that's what most cats were kept for - vermin control), there were no kittens or breed specific foods and yet most did well. Obesity and diabetes and kidney failure were rare. And yet all of those are on the rise in our feline population - as it is in humans.

And what is the contributing factor, what has changed for both us and cats? - DIET.

Cats can't digest grains/ carbs - but the makers of Felix and the like use a lot of grains/ cellulose fillers etc in their foods as it is actually cheaper than meat. So the cats struggle to digest it, what they do digest interferes with their biological systems and sometimes causes them to put on weight (as that is the bodies way of dealing with excess carbs), this then interferes with insulin production etc and you end up with diabetic cats (not all, just some). This is why cat poop on that diet stinks - they are getting rid of noxious waste. You pay for them to poop most of the Felix type food back out again and because the body doesn't like it it struggles to process it making it smelly in the process. Cats fed raw have almost odorless poops. Add in the fact that dry is a (imho) major contributing factor in UTIs, crystal forming, and kidney disease and you begin to see a bigger picture.

It's all about risk and minimising it. You can feed supermarket foods (and some are better than others) and your cat could live to be in its 20s, of that there is no doubting - but what if your cat is one of the other 50 that won't get to twenty and is more prone to weight gain, chronic kidney failure etc. You weigh up the risks and how to minimise them, you do your research, and then you make an informed choice. And if after all that you still want to feed Felix etc then do so.
 

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thank you very much for your thoughtful and informative views, i really appreciate it and will be doing my best to do my best for my cats, they are only young now, so it should be fairly easy! thank you thank you thank you!
 
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