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Need to put my Siamese on a diet!

Discussion in 'Cat Health and Nutrition' started by wilchil64, Mar 31, 2011.


  1. wilchil64

    wilchil64 PetForums Member

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    I've known for a while that I need to put my Siamese Max on a diet, when he had his vaccinations last year they weighed him and he weighed 5 kg. He's not small but slight otherwise so shouldn't weigh that much. They said he should lose a kg.

    It's been very difficult due to the other cats that we had at the time, but now we are down to 2 :( as my two black boys died within a few weeks of each other aged 14 and my friend's cat who I was looking after has gone back to her now, so I only have Max and old Tabby. As she sleeps all day (we don't know how old she is as she walked through our door about 9 years ago and the vet couldn't determine how old she was), I feel I can now work out how much Max eats.

    I feed him Pets at Home Purely dried food and Bozita wet food in the morning. I checked the packs last night and he's allowed 60g of Purely dried, so I weighed that out last night and will refill it tonight when I go to bed. On top of that I gave him a very small spoon of Bozita for breakfast.

    Does this sound ok? I've read that cats can become very ill if they don't get enough to eat as their internal organs start to break down and obviously don't want to endanger him. I know part of the reason he's put on weight is lack of exercise as he's not allowed out. Also he had an op on his liver when he was half a year old and put on lots of weight following that I think.

    Without letting him out, is there anyway he can exercise in the house to help him lose weight? We play with Da bird with him and also he has lots of toys that he runs around with in the morning, although from mid morning to bedtime he sleeps most of the time. We throw his toys at bedtime for him and he jumps and catches them behind the footstool! :)

    I considered a cat climbing toy (with platforms and scratching posts) but the big ones are really expensive and he didn't use the little scratching post we bought when we got him. He used to chase my other cats but now has no one to chase. I'm scared to get another kitten (even if my hubbie said I could!) as Max would make his life a misery! Same goes for adopting a rescue Siamese - what if they don't get on?

    Anyway, thanks for listening. Grateful for any advice.
     
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    I have 3 Siamese and Oriental cats. My oldest one is 22 months; he's a very big cat for a Siamese (takes after his daddy) and is 5.2kg. My other 2 are both under 4kg, but they are small cats.

    Is Max visibly fat/overweight? I ask this as one vet at my practice told me my oldest boy needed to lose around 200-300grams, yet another vet (the best one in the practice IMO) said he was perfect and talked to me about body condition, rather than focusing on weight alone. Have a look at this link re: body condition scoring, this may be of some use for you to determine Max shape?

    Understanding Your Cat's Body Condition

    With regards to food - I see you're feeding Max on mainly dry which I understand can contribute to weight gain. Could you feed him 2-3 meals of Bozita wet, with just a small amount of dry? This may help decrease Max's weight gradually, as any weight loss in a cat needs to be done very, very slowly.

    All of my cats run around like maniacs. They resemble the Keystone Cops at times, chasing each other all over the house, and leaping all over the furniture and cat trees etc. I think this level of exercise helps a lot to keep their weight down, so getting another younger cat, perhaps from a Siamese rescue would be a way forward, as they could chase/play with each other :D

    Hope this helps :D
     
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    wilchil64 PetForums Member

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    Thanks for your reply Dougal.

    He has a visible tummy and although he has a small head he's quite well padded around his neck! Unfortunately I don't have another to compare him to, but he does have this big tummy which has always been a bit strange since his op.

    I've had a look at the link you gave me. He's sat next to me right now and I certainly can't feel his ribs, he's quite padded there. He doesn't have a waist! and his abdomen hangs down, but not as loosely as in a very old cat. So I think he does need to lose some weight.

    I don't mind feeding him just Bozita rather than dry, I've almost run out of dry food anyway and would need to buy more. If I feed him just Bozita (I buy mixed flavours in the tetra paks), how much should I feed him?

    Re. getting another cat, I'm so worried that Max would fight with a new cat. I would love another Siamese but unfortunately can't afford a kitten at such high prices, hence why I thought about a rescue cat, but then of course they may not get on, which I imagine may be less of a problem with a kitten?

    I'll have to have another chat with hubbie!
     
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    The 'big tummy' may be his primordial pouch, which I've read can be more pronounced in some breeds of cat. I've had a quick search on Google but I can't find the article I've read before, but if you put primordial pouch in the search it will give an explanation about it. But, from what you're saying, Max would benefit from losing some weight therefore I'd definitely cut down on the dry and feed more wet. Have a look on the A-Z guide of wet foods in this section, which will tell you feeding recs for Bozita tins and tetra packs. The A-Z thread is also a great source of info about other food you could feed Max on too for some variety.

    Also, in the absence of getting another cat/kitten, try to up Max's playtime with a variety of toys. We play on the stairs with our cats, a kind of 'fetch' game, that involves the cats running up and down the stairs. You could try this - Max running up and down, not you :eek: This should burn a fair bit of energy!!
     
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    Thanks, I'll google primoridal pouch - not heard of that before. Also hadn't thought of looking up Bozita food amounts on here.

    Yes, Max loves chasing his toys on the stairs - we throw them to the top and he fetches them and brings them back. Gets a bit chaotic when the dog joins in too! :eek:
     
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    I looked at the photos and the one below is exactly what his tum looks like! "Puddles" around his hind legs is a good way of putting it!
     

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    Max does seem to have a bit of a tum on him from the picture. But, you can reduce that, I'm sure :D

    You said you don't know any other Siamese to compare him with, so I've posted a pic of my 22 month old boy. I don't know if this well help you compare size? My boy has a little pouch, I call it his snuggly tummy :D
     
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    Ah, he's beautiful.

    Sorry, I think you misunderstood me, that wasn't a pic of Max, that was the photo on the page you sent me a link for, of an Egyptian Mau. I'll try and get a photo of Max's tum later, but that photo looks just like his.

    I'm already looking at Siamese on Preloved .... My OH will kill me!! :blink: :eek: ;)
     
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    Oops sorry wilchil64, my mistake :eek:

    I hope you can see my cat's tum on the pic, but when he stands, it goes, but the pouch thingy is still there.

    Be careful with who you get another Siamese from (if you do).
    There are some reputable breeders around, but also some dodgy ones too :eek:
     
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    I know, we had all sorts of probs with Max when he was a kitten (I posted all the details on here and asked for advice) and have no pedigree for him but I love him to bits. I always said I wouldn't have another cat as I have more time for him now than when we had lots, but I know he misses having a playmate. Don't think I'll be able to talk hubbie round. Also good breeders ask for lots of money unfortunately. :(
     
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    Oh dear, I bet that was tough. But, going to a good breeder is a way to eliminate as many problems as possible. Like most things in life, you get what you pay for and while no one can predict the future, a good breeder will offer a lifetime support, a full pedigree, registration papers, fully vacc'd, wormed kitten that's well socialised and litter trained :D
     
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    Yes, of course you are right. I will have a search for Siamese breeders in the Yorkshire area and see what they have and the prices. I really am not interested in a pedigree because we don't want to breed or show, I just love the temperament of Siamese. But of course I want a healthy cat, I don't want to go through the worries I had with Max, thinking I was going to lose him.
     
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