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'Nasty' dogs !!!!!**!!!!

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by debtherat, Feb 5, 2012.


  1. debtherat

    debtherat PetForums Member

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    Oh I am angry!!!
    I have 3 dogs...Roxy- a lovely natured lab-, Scully -manic collie/russell- and Katy- a springer/collie (with some mental health issues I think!). Rox is great with other dogs, Katy very nervous and unsure, tends to bark and tell others in no uncertain terms to back off,( a rescue dog who had no socialisation for the first 12 months of her life before I adopted her) and Scully who was attacked by another dog and since then has been extremely mistrustful of other dogs and will generally air snap to warn any that come too close that she has teeth and may use them.
    On Saturday I set off to take them for a late afternoon walk along a fairly busy cycle path. Now I always leash my dogs around other dogs when walking all 3 as 2 of them have issues and I always leash them around children. So as a young guy with a happy staffy type , a baby in a papoose, and a 3 or 4 year old child come towards us on go the leads. 'He's alright' shouts young guy pointing to his dog who is cheerfully trotting off lead towards us.. 'O they aren't' I shout back, and the guy calls his dog and son to him. As we go past his little boy puts his hand out and the guy says 'Don't.. they are NASTY DOGS'!!
    Well if he did, I am sorry and ashamed to say I gave him a mouthful of abuse, as he tried to tell me that they MUST be nasty dogs if they didn't like other dogs .....I was so cut up that a stranger should have that perception of my girls. Argh!!!:mad:
    Sorry..just needed to vent a bit of air:(

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  2. SammyRL

    SammyRL PetForums Newbie

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    You have my sympathy! I have just one rescue dog, adopted a week ago. He has similar issues. I'm ok with him barking etc but staggered and irritated by the behaviour of other dog owners.

    When other dogs come too close I tell them 'he's not socialised and will nip and get very stressed', but many people seem to make light of it and say, 'oh mines ok' Meanwhile, my dog is biting his own lead and my trouser legs! I'm seriously considering being more proactive, ie RUDE I order to stop people prolonging their dogs meetings with mine.

    One woman with a docile lab insisted I was wrong and my dog was 'just wanting to play', I said 'errr I really don't think so', before I knew it she had moved her dog closer. Result: my dog snarled and nipped him on the nose! I've also had children of other dog owners yelling 'bad dog' at mine.

    I'm hoping things will gradually get easier....
     
  3. debtherat

    debtherat PetForums Member

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    Yep that's it..the behaviour of other dog owners!! drives me up the wall. Even when I just had one great natured dog previously i would always put her on lead if another dog approached on lead, out of courtesy, figuring there is probably a very good reason why that dog is on a lead. I just don't understand why other people don't seem to get that too! I would love to let them socialise but its got to be controlled with the other dog at a distance which my dogs can tolerate. I think someone would be quick to complain if I let Scully run loose, as she's so convinced every other dog is going to murder her, she has decided she better get the first strike in!:eek:
     
  4. Manoy Moneelil

    Manoy Moneelil PetForums VIP

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    Two sides to every story, sounds to me that his comment was more for the benefit of teaching is son about approaching strange dogs uninvited than for your ears.

    We have frequently seen threads where the "problem" is a child's lack of self-control, where a parent is taking steps to address this let's not be so quick to criticise them. :hand:
     
  5. Sarah1983

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    I used to get it a fair bit with Rupert. I never let it bother me to be honest. Maybe those children who were told they weren't to pet my dog because he was nasty will be the ones to learn that not all dogs are friendly and that they shouldn't just go running up to them.

    IMO, you need to be. For his sake. If he's stressed and upset about other dogs getting too close then you need to do what you can to ensure it doesn't happen. And in my experience people do not listen. It's like they simply cannot believe that a dog may not like theirs or something. Rupert was muzzled and they still tried the "oh mine's friendly, they'll be fine" sort of thing :rolleyes:
     
  6. TheFredChallenge

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    Yep probably was the quickest way of explaining to his young son (in a way that he could understand and fast) that he wasn't to touch them......and didn't really think about the offence and rudeness caused to you by saying it. The fact is; he shouldn't be letting his son touch strange dogs anyway as most parents would try and instill that into their kids - you'd think?!!!

    Totally understand how you'd feel though, not a pleasant thing to hear about your doglets :nonod:
     
  7. Goldstar

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    My sisters JRT is very wary of other dogs, I think its because my dads chihuahua x is always snapping at him :mad: .... because he is so small some people allow their bigger dog to bound up to him etc whilst shouting "oooh they wont hurt him" .... it is so annoying because they just laugh :mad:

    My dog is fine with other dogs, she loves everyone and everything, she is always off leash at the beach, she stays very close to me until I tell her to "go play" but some people just allow their off leash dogs to trample her, I mean, she seems to enjoy it but she could get seriously squished
     
  8. theothersparticus

    theothersparticus PetForums Senior

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    Why do other people assume they know other dogs better than their owners?

    I have a similar problem with Bella, I always shout ahead to people that's she friendly but not socialised and will jump, most people will take the hint and give us a bit of space but there's always a few that won't move their dogs on so she goes hyper and jumps over me or their dog or them :eek:. There's an older gent I've met a couple of times who insists on stopping with his off-lead collie and encouraging her to jump up at him :mad: no matter how many times I say I'm trying to teach her to stop jumping up.

    I'll have to try the rude approach as well :D
     
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    happysaz133 PetForums VIP

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    Stupid people!

    On the other hand, nice to see another Katy :) I have a Katy too. Everyone tells me its a weird name for a dog :p
     
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    I think this guy needs to teach his son that the child must not just assume all dogs want to be touched,, i often take my g/children out on walks with the dogs, but from small children i have always taught them that they must never touch/go up to dogs unless they ask the person 1st who is with the dogs.
     
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    To be honest i would prefer the kid to think mine was nasty than approach, do something daft and get knocked over or worse for it.
     
  12. StaffsRmisunderstood

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    I no how u feel!! Bentley my blue staffy is always judged when we r out .. if i walk onto the local park with him and theres someone on with there dog they always put there dog on a lead n walk to the other side of the park! it really winds me up that hes judged simply becos of his breed!!! :mad: hes the softest lad u wud ever meet and loves to play with the other dogs if given the chance!! on one occasion a woman put her poodle type thing on a lead and bentley trotted over to her tail waggin no sign of agresion at all and she picked her dog up and started screaming hysterically at me to get my 'f'ing dog on a lead and then starts telin a gent with a german shepherd who asked if she was ok while i got bentley on his harness that my dogs tried atakin her and i did nothin to stop it ! i was fuming lets just say she got a piece of my mind...bimbo! LOL :w00t: but really upsets me???!!!
     
  13. Goldstar

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    Some people say "oh jack russells are the little ankle biters aren't they?" well no, they are not, lucky loves everyone and everything :)
    Some breeds have a sort of stigma attached to them which really isn't fair. I have met some lovely staffs over the years, they have the biggest smiles :D .... any breed can be aggressive, my dads little chihuahua x's are nasty little things, even jumped up from the sofa and snapped in my face :mad:
     
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    I no its so unfair! i even debated gettin bentley because i was worried at how ppl would react to him and didnt want ppl looking down there nose at me 4 havin a staff.. ihave a staff because i love the breed not because i feel i look how they say 'hard' with a staff at my heels!! :mad: then i thought bugger lot of them i love staffys and like u said ur more likely to be bitten by a chihuhua type nippy dog as my dad calls them lol!
     
  15. SammyRL

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    Yes - my Bertie is Chi / JRT and I'm getting really fed up of others putting us into stressful situations and then standing back laughing :mad:, because he's so teeny. Last Fri he broke one of his claws down to the quick from jumping on cobbles when an off-lead lab approached. Took ages to stop bleeding... :crying:
    Am going to be pro-active from not on - bordering on rude....
     
  16. Goldstar

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    It's quite intimidating when that happens, I mean most of the dogs that do bound over are friendly but they still scare my sisters dog, I don't allow my JRT to bound over to other peoples dogs, I would never force her bounciness onto others, I dont know whether their dogs are frightened easily etc so I make sure she stays close to me :)
     
  17. debtherat

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    To be honest, I didn't name her.. it was the name she came with....and because I knew her as Katy from walking her at the dog's home when I adopted her I couldn't get my head around a different name for her:) . So she has stayed Katy, and even though I don't think I would pick it as a name it absolutely suits her for some reason!
     
  18. MrsSB

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    I see what you are saying, but there are nicer ways of teaching a child that not all dogs enjoy small children/other dogs approaching them. I've told my grandchildren that they must never touch any dog unless the owner is there and has said it's ok because some dogs are frightened of people or other dogs and their only way to show they are frightened is to bark/bite. Hopefully my grandchildren will not think that dogs are "nasty" but that sometimes they get frightened and will react to that fright.
     
  19. Debxan

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    You cannot win sometimes. Seems to me the bloke was a bit over the top calling your dogs nasty but perhaps it was as others have suggested a quick way of telling the child not to touch etc.

    I had a similar but lesser experience last Sunday when I was walking with dogsy in the snow. (He is a 9 month old MT). We were returning from a walk and he was on the lead walking nicely when a family passed us on the other side of the road with a child on sledge. Monty had a very small grumble while looking across the street at them - he had not seen a sledge before! He did not bark or snarl or show his teeth or lunge towards them but I got the most FILTHY look from the father! Chose to ignore it this time but next time may have something to say. Talk about over the top parenting. Get a life I thought. And I had him in control on the lead!!!!!

    Also, I always catch dogsy when someone else approaches as he is very bouncy and playful - too much for some dogs particularly when they are older. I have had about 3 other dog walkers in the last week tell me I should let him off the lead! Only trying to be polite and not let him be a nuisance - also I am not sure if the approaching dog is friendly.

    Well, as I said - you cannot win! Sorry rambled on a bit.
     
  20. Kevinktwo

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    My dog is very reactive to other dogs, so when I meet anyone with a dog I will put him on lead and walk away. ( no matter the breed) When I can't walk away I move as far off the path as I can and then put him into a sit and distract him with food or a toy. Now this behaviour on my part should be a bit of a give away to other dog owners. Yet still they don't get their dog under close control, if another dog owner tells me that I'm causing it because dogs are more aggressive on lead I will scream! They feel the need to give basic advice. A reactive dog can be hell, you are always on edge about getting face to face with another dog without an exit route, you end up going on walks at times when their is less chance of others being around, he is a highly stressed gundog and the off lead is only thing that keeps us sane. So of course we read the books, the threads, and pay the trainers, and some of us have a long history of previous succesful dog ownership. My dog has now been damaged twice when he has been on lead, however he kicks off first (but never goes past mouthing). So if your dog runs up to mine while mine is siting off the path. Getting fed lots of food. And you let your dog run up to mine, and you are chanting "he/she is friendly" don't looked shocked when I scream at you to get your dog under control. Because I'm sick of trying to explain!! ps small dog owners tend to be worst.
    Sorry for the rant!
     
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