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My puppy bit a stranger who was telling him what to do. Help?!

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Snaih, Aug 12, 2018.


  1. Snaih

    Snaih PetForums Newbie

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    hi guys, first time posting on here and needed your help.

    I have a puppy who is a rottie mixed with german shepherd and is 12 weeks old.

    He’s been really friendly with strangers and dogs. Let’s people pet him and likes to lick them all over.

    However today I was at a pets store and a women came up and asked if she could pet him and obviously I let her. She seemed like she knew what she was doing. However she started to tell him to sit and lay (obviously we’ve taught him that already). She started telling us what not to do and do and my pup grabbed something from underneath an aisle which was paper and started chewing it. She told him to take it out, like literally forcing him to. Saying “we should of taught him to leave it”. And she grabbed it out of his mouth and said leave it and he sat down. But as soon as she tried to pet him again he bit her lightly. Like more of a playful way rather than hard. (I know the difference). Obviously I told him not to and held him back and she was saying how “if it was my dog I would of literally put him down on the floor”. I didn’t know how to react because he hasn’t done that before. But I felt like I did something wrong, didn’t give him the right training. And felt so guilty while taking him back home.

    I just wanted tips from you guys to prevent this from happening again. Has this happened to any of you guys before? How did you fix it?
     
  2. labradrk

    labradrk PetForums VIP

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    At 12 weeks old it would not have been an actual bite, but mouthing, which is normal.

    I would have politely told the woman to do one. No 12 week old puppy is going to have a solid leave command.

    Unfortunately puppies do seem to attract people who think they are experts. They are best ignored.
     
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    Lurcherlad PetForums VIP

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    The woman was an idiot and was completely out of order disciplining your pup in the first place.

    Be very selective who you allow to interact with your dog.

    In future with strangers just say “no, sorry we’re trying to train him not to get over excited... or whatever” and walk away.
     
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    She was wrong to do anything other than pet your puppy, assuming you'd given your permission for that. Your pups reaction was perfectly OK considering she was a stranger to him.
    As for 'putting him down on the floor'??. Never.
    There are people out there who have read one Cesar Milan book, seen two of his TV programmes and think they know it all.
     
  5. Acidic Angel

    Acidic Angel Your ego does not surpass your pets wellbeing

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    Red: My 14 week old pup still struggles with "Leave it" if it's something she really wants. If it's something she wants but isn't of utmost importance to her, she'll leave it when told. If it's something she really likes and wants to keep, she can be a bit more stubborn. Sometimes leading to me having to go up to her and actually remove it from her mouth and give her a treat for letting me have it- Other thing's she'll just drop/walk away from if I tell her to leave it.

    Blue: Sounds like this person follows "dominance" methods for training, these are not good for pups and should be ignored. Reward based training is much, much better and will work a lot easier.

    To the rest: It sounds like you did nothing wrong, this person needed to back off and stop being so demeaning to you and your pup. Your pup will have mouthed her because he thought she was playing, or he wanted to initiate play with her.
     
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    Sacremist Mum to 2 cats and a dog

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    I would politely explain to her that my pup is only 12 weeks old and is currently undergoing training and not all the commands you give are solidly ingrained yet. Besides which, different people use different command words, if she uses a word that you don’t then your dog won’t understand.

    When Sadie was a pup she used to jump on the furniture. I use the command ‘down’ to tell her to lie down and we use the command ‘off’ to tell her to get off the furniture. Once when we had a visitor and she was still being trained to get off the furniture, she kept telling Sadie down, so Sadie lay down on the sofa. My visitor interpreted this as Sadie being stubborn not wanting to get off the sofa and was shocked when I gave Sadie a treat. So I told her, you asked her to lay down, so she did, that means she deserves a reward.
     
  7. Jamesgoeswalkies

    Jamesgoeswalkies PetForums VIP

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    That would have been my cue for a 15 minute conversation on the absolute nonsensical (and now disproved and discredited) theory behind dominance methods and the merits of positive reinforcement in training. Trust me she would have wished she had never stopped me in the first place ;)

    Your pup was being a pup. The woman didn't know 'what she was doing' or she wouldn't have interfered - I would have stopped her the moment she attempted to put my pup into a sit or down. In time your pup will learn to drop or give on command - you have lots of training time ahead :)

    Maybe it's time to choose who your puppy interacts with anyway. Mine have never been petted by random strangers as I simply ask them not to.

    J
     
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  8. Snaih

    Snaih PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks so much for the reply. Honestly this is my first ever puppy. My parents have had one before and they followed the dominance rule too and we’re harsh with their previous pups. I’ve told them that I don’t want them to use that method and that he will learn through much nicer methods like treats, praise etc.

    It’s scary knowing that this is my first puppy and I just don’t want him to be disobedient or not trained because he’s such a big dog. However I’ve been following through with treats and training commands and loads of praises and it seems like he’s doing such a good job. But one person telling you all this stuff makes you feel so useless.

    However, thanks so much for the feedback and I’m tbe future I will definitely tell people to lay back.

    He is in the whole socialisation stage so is there a time and place to do that? X
     
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    Snaih PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks so much for the reply. Sometimes you don’t know what to do when people say you’re doing it wrong, especially as this is my first pup.

    However, I will definitely take in to consideration on who my puppy should interact with. This comment literally puts a big weight off of my shoulders x
     
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    Snaih PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks so much for the feedback. Quite new to this and didn’t know if I should reject people touching him because of socialisation. But honestly, i do need to be selective on who should pet my pup and how long xx
     
  11. rottiepointerhouse

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    Don't feel bad, when I had my first rottie about 20 years ago now I met a woman in the vets who scared me with rubbish about how he was "eye balling her" and trying to be dominant over me and how I needed to get on top of him before it was too late etc etc. I knew she wasn't right but I had a few concerns about him so she shook my confidence especially when she told me she was a behavourist. I agreed to have her round to assess him in our home (she was recommended by the vets where I met her) and she was just awful to our pup, every time he approached her she flicked him away sending him tumbling. I got more and more uneasy but didn't have the courage to stop her until she picked him up by the scruff and said I would have to do that until he stopped struggling, that was enough and I asked her to leave and cried myself silly for being such a stupid idiot. From then on I trusted my gut instincts - he turned out to the be the softest big dollop you ever came across and never gave me a moments worry with other dogs or people. You are perfectly entitled to say no when people ask if they can pet him, your dog your rules.
     
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    Snaih PetForums Newbie

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    Aww, thanks so much for this story! It means so much. Rottie’s definitely get a bad rep for no reason. Even today I told them that he was german x rottie and the vet said, “be careful as rotties show aggression”. Makes you doubt everything but honestly, he’s the most sweetest and loving pup ever. I just hope people change their opinion over breeds, it’s how you bring them up that matters. In the beginning I useto feel that he would be aggressive because of people sadistic opinions being thrusted upon you. Even when he bit or growled, I would freak out and disciplin him. But he would only be playing and I had forgotten that it was normal for puppies to play bite and growl when they get excited. They’re little babies, why put these expectations on them. Literally had laid off of people’s opinions and just following my heart too. But seriously, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR STORY ❤️❤️
     
  13. kittih

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    Unfortunately you will encounter a fair few people who act like they know best and you know nothing when in fact they are are clueless idiots as this women was.

    You will need to protect your pup from these people. Most people try to avoid being rude when they encounter someone like this and in doing so can end up with their pup exposed to bad experiences.

    You are your pups protector. Don't worry about stepping in or preventing other people interfering or engaging with your pup even if that may come across as rude. The woman was being rude by interacting as she did. It was not her place to be involved not to lecture you on what you were and were not doing.

    This means becoming more assertive, being your pups advocate and chosing positive interactions for your pup to experience. If that means telling the other person thank you but no thanks that's fine, if you need to just walk away. Or a polite thank you for your opinion (which you can then ignore).

    Have a look at kikopup on YouTube for lots of helpful videos on force free rewards based training. Also don't confuse socialisation with your pup meeting and interacting with lots of humans and dogs. That is not what socialisation is.

    In summary the woman had no right to do what she did.
     
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