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My dog has bitten 3 times

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by AnnieD, Mar 18, 2020.


  1. AnnieD

    AnnieD PetForums Newbie

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    I have a new dog (he’s a rescue) I’ve only had him a month,he’s v friendly most of the time.
    24 hours after having him he bit my daughters friend in the face,he’s 16 abd was sat on the sofa near him and we presumed he must have touched him and the dog woke up and bit out of shock.(the friend had to have stitches)
    Then I was out with him the other day and he barks and makes lots of noise but he is getting better with training.
    A man said oh let him say hello if you like,my dog sniffed his hand then just bit him(so put that down to my fault for letting him go to the man to say hi)
    Then my grandson was staying hes 4,my dog adores children but I’m v wary anyway so never leave him alone with children ,we had no incidents ,nothing.
    It was so lovely to see.
    Then my daughter was in the front room with the dog and grandson and he just turned and bit my grandson on the face .
    There were no warning signs,my grandson didn’t suddenly scream or touch him(he had only been stroking him a few minutes before)
    They were all side by side almost,all chilled out and then bam he bit him.
    Then afterwards he acted like nothing had happened.
    Luckily he didn’t break the skin but he did bruise and leave teeth marks.
    I’ve been advised to have him pts and I just still can’t justify it to myself as I didn’t witness the facial bites.
    There seems to be no actual rhyme or reason to it,there also seems to be no warning signs,we have had a lot of dogs over the years abd my daughters partner trains security dogs so she wouldn’t over react but she said although she wants to find a reason he did it,there really was nothing that change in those few seconds.
    He’s the big and dopey,he’s been doing exceptionally well with his basic training with me
    I’m in bits really and just needed people to tell me what they think.
    I’ve spoken to the vet and they also seem to think pts but I did have an option for him to go bk to his rescue and live out his days there but because of the corona virus the transport was cancelled and we don’t know when the borders will open again,no sanctuaries in uk will touch him and obv he can’t be rehomed or even fostered.
    I don’t even know what I’m expecting from my post ,I’m just in bits over it all but that’s two children now and I have a 7&9 year old of my own
     
  2. mrs phas

    mrs phas karma is a funny old thing

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    You've witnessed the after effects though
    Surely that's enough
    If you return him to rescue, with such a severe bite history, he'll likely be PTS anyway
    I cant tell you what to do though, can't even tell you what I'd do.


    Good luck with whatever YOU choose to do though:)
     
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  3. AnnieD

    AnnieD PetForums Newbie

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    Writing this is making me realise how serious it actually is!
    I think I just needed some support as I feel like I’m giving up!
    As for pts he’s from Romania and for some reason his rescuers over there seem to think he’s ok and think if he’s just left with the other dogs and is happy he will be fine
     
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    mrs phas karma is a funny old thing

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    So no UK rescue back up?
    This is a problem with these street dog imports
    When there's a problem, there's no one to turn to
    At least with good UK rescues , there's always back up

    Sometimes seeing things written down in black and white, opens our eyes

    Again
    Good luck
     
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    AnnieD PetForums Newbie

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    Oh the uk rescue have her. Amazing but they can’t rehome him or find a foster.
    The only solution they could come up with was sending him bk to his rescuer.
    They are not saying I should keep him and persevere ,they are fully supportive and if this virus hasn’t taken over,is probably not have found it so difficult for them to have taken him
     
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    Hi Annie, welcome, sorry it's under such conditions...
    I'm going to venture to say there probably were signals, but they were probably extremely subtle. You don't say what his previous life was like, but it's not unusual for dogs to learn that their signals will be ignored, and to then escalate their warnings to a snap or a bite.

    Most dogs aren't super crazy about close proximity and it sounds like all the bites where in situations where he was having to share space with people, yes?

    Regardless of what you decide, I would stop all close encounters with your children - any children. Dogs and kids simply don't get to interact.

    I would also for now just stop all close encounters with him yourself. If he chooses to be near you that's fine, but keep the duration of the closeness short, and step away and give him space after 30 seconds. He may not even know he can move away yet.

    It's possible that this is fixable with the right behaviorist.
    You say he has improved with training, what specific training are you doing? Can you describe it?

    If a behaviorist is not a possibility (no judgement here), then I'm sorry but I would agree with the recommendation to PTS. It's not fair to him to live out his life in a kennel and you can't in good conscience rehome him.
    There are far worse fates for a troubled dog than a humane death.
     
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    mrs phas karma is a funny old thing

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    Ok
    Glad that in 15mins, after 11 pm, you've managed to go from
    no UK rescue taking him, cos of bite history
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    A UK rescue has agreed to take him
    Guess being zen, and, giving up the problem to karma, worked for you all, miracles do indeed happen :)
    Safe all around
     
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    Oh no my phone just changed words and I didn’t check until it was too late
    They’ve been amazing but apart from returning him to Romania we can’t get anywhere in the up to take him
     
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    So your still in the middle of your dilemma?
     
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    AnnieD PetForums Newbie

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    He was found starving on the streets in November .
    No history known at all.
    As for warning signs he is giving none of the normal ones so to us it’s unpredictable.
    He didn’t even look slightly unhappy
    He wasn’t being pulled around
    He could move freely and there was no doorway of anything
    If it had been a playful nip or a growl even o could get my head around it!

    As for training ,I had a totally green one year old turn up here after travelling 48 hours hence why I let the first bite go .
    He now sits,waits
    Knows leave it,I now have no food aggression at all.
    He no longer jumps all over everyone , biting them (his play bites were v painful as he had only had dog friends before)
    He’s calm in the house,he’s getting better with the cats as I’ve been following the advice I was given and trying to distract him and giving him a treat.
    His lead walking is going really well as he had never been on a lead.

    He hasn’t had social interaction with other dogs as we hadn’t joined our training classes (was due to start last week!)if we see other dogs he barks so much that it it’s everyone off.
    I’ve not let him off the lead as he’s still a bit overwhelmed out on walks with all the noises etc but he’s progressed so much.
     
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    IMO he isn’t a dog that should have gone to a home with children in the first place as having been a street dog in Romania he will likely have been ill treated at some point (or at best not socialised) which makes them temperamentally unpredictable.

    It might have been better to have shielded him completely from close encounters to avoid any chance of him biting until he was fully settled and trustworthy, but now it’s happened 3 times (with no apparent warning) I’d say it’s a very high risk situation.

    I doubt many UK rescues would have let you take him home for this reason.

    Unless he can be in an adult only home (where he should probably be muzzle trained for walking in public) then I think pts would be kindest tbh.

    Another 16 years potentially living in rescue (especially abroad where they all run together) would not be something I would be happy about.
     
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    May I ask how you taught things like sit and leave it?
    How did you get rid of the food aggression?
     
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    He sounds a lovely dog most of the time but not sure how you can even consider keeping him. Why did you keep him after the first day when he bit a 16 year old so badly he needed stitches. What happens if he inflicts another injury like that. You are very lucky that no one has reported you so far but if he really injures someone you could go to prison. Have the poor dog pts sad as it is would be to have to do so.
     
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    You've only had him a month?

    I cant see how you can really know anything about him in such a short space of time. You have certainly put him in a lot on different situations before he has had the chance to really settle in and find his feet, and im not surprised he is reacting the way he is. He must be completely overwhelmed.

    Have you had a dog before? I cant work out if he is your only dog, or if you have others. You say your dog adores children, but you cant mean this one as you cant possibly know after just 4 weeks.

    Sadly, i think PTS is probably in his best interest now. I certainly wouldnt return him to the rescue you got him from; seems to be one of the 'any home is better than no home' brigade, which is often to the detriment of the dog.
     
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    Seems like you have a street dog that's been chucked into a house in close proximity with loads of different people, taken into lots of different situations just cannot cope.
    I think you've done way too much with this dog way too fast, and you've found out he's stressed via some VERY serious bites.
    It's not fair to pass him to another rescue who won't be able to home him easily, and I also don't think it's fair to send him back to Romania to live in those grubby kennels. It would be much safer and better all round if you were to have him PTS in a humane way (it's really not a nasty thing to do, it's very peaceful and you can be with him), and then maybe, once you've recovered, get a rescue dog who has been properly assessed where you have rescue back up.
     
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    He had just travelled for 48 hours by road and that is why I didn’t get rid of him straight away as he should also have been left alone instead of my daughter and friend snuggling up on the sofa with him.
    This is a dog that’s been with other dogs and only reacted like he would in the canine world so yes I did give him the benefit of the doubt
     
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    He does everything by praise and reward for me.
    I’ve not had to use harsh words or aggression ,he’s a v clever chap.
    As for the food aggression ,I started to make him wait outside the room whilst I made it,without the door closed,just by saying bk.
    Even that only took a few attempts for him to click.
    Then he has to sit and wait for me to say it’s ok for him to eat.i also put his bowl between my feet the first few times.
    I have done a lot of research into positive training and I’m not at all worried by his behaviour with me!
    He has a lot of work to do as he’s still very green.
    He wants to play and was nipping a lot but I used the yelp thing and it worked like a treat !
    I also removed him from the room for a few minutes everytime he was going stupid
     
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