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male dominance? Zeke V Akai

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Sarahnorris, May 23, 2010.


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  1. Sarahnorris

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    zeke has went for akai 3 times already since iv had him, and bloody hell doesn't akai SCREAM the house down he howls and howls for like 10mins... i pull zeke off and move him away and akai runs under the bed! and its totally random too, its not all the time, they can be outside together playing ect and call them all in and then wam! zeke just goes! and there is nothing around to set him off.

    now at first i thought this is just zeke sorting out his position in the pack, being dominant because he nipped at diva too, but it never broke out into a proper teeth or claws.

    today zeke caught akai on the face, and its cut his little nose! its not deep or anything and there was hardly any blood but its still the worst he has done.

    akai is now not moving from under the bed. he wont go and pee outside if zeke is outside.. and doesn't wanna be in the same room as him.. his little tail is inbetween his legs.

    i feel sorry for the poor wee man, hes very scared now. and even when i put the lead of him he let out a little wimper. :(


    what do i do now?
     
  2. Mum2Heidi

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    Sorry cant offer any advice but felt a bit bad being your 33rd hit with no comments.
    Hope someone comes along soon to read and offer some advice afterwards :thumbup:

    The only thing that does spring to mind is perhaps Zeke is jealous and worried the yours is going to get the lions share of attention/food etc. Puts me in the mind of Heidi with our cats. She is fine unless she thinks she could be missing out.
     
  3. GSDlover4ever

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    Has Zeke been neutered? and when was the last time Diva was in season?
     
  4. Shamen

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    for a start you have to ensure the safety of your pup, never put your pup at risk of getting hurt!, you really should have taken introductions slowly, you need to do a lot of positive training with Zeke and the puppy to rebuild his confidence, i suggest you invest in some Ian Dunbar books Dog Aggression With Dr Ian Dunbar only £16.96

    if Zeke isnt neutered he definately needs to be to reduce his testosterone, i see they are Mal crosses did you not know that mals dont always get along with the same sex?

    Zeke is going to need lots of patience,positive reinforcement and commitment from you all.
     
  5. casandra

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    Mals do have an issue with Same-Sex aggression a lot of the time. It's one of the characteristics that Siberian Huskies usually do not seem to have. You need to hire a behaviourist, as none of us over the Internet can actually see what is happening between the two dogs when these incidents happen.

    It could just be that Zeke does not fit your current situation, would you be prepared to give him back to the breeder? (edit, did not realize he was a rescue, so would you feel comfortable rehoming him on your own?) Akai is the one who is suffering, as you well know, but what your future may hold is Akai becoming fear aggressive, which is a wholly unpredictable and dangerous condition for any dog to be in.

    See if you have any Mal clubs up by you, they may be able to recommend a good behaviourist for you to get in touch with. More often than not, the only way to work around having an issue in your home with same sex aggression is the "crate and rotate" technique, where you keep the two separated 24/7 for the rest of their lives.
     
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    Have to echo Casandra, a good behaviourist is needed. This matter needs attention and now, Akai is the prority here because it could well be that Zeke is already too damaged by his past so you need to ensure Akai's character and behaviour isn't changed further by Zeke's issues. Zeke needs to be separated from the pack at all times unless you are in attendance and I would be tempted to have him muzzled at anytime he's near Akai. Your puppy should be relaxed and secure in his own home and unfortunately it sounds very much like he's not anymore.
     
  7. LostGirl

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    You may never be able to have them together, Its not an easy fix at all with malamutes.

    I would do the same as casandra and JSR, But be aware You may have to either set up a system were they are never alone or never each other at all times or find a new home if that isnt possible for one of them :(
     
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    Oh dear Sarah, not a perfect situation is it, bless ya, hope you can work things out
    xx
     
  9. casandra

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    I also notice that you say you might be breeding Diva this fall on your website. Please get Zeke neutered regardless, but definitely would not consider breeding from your bitch with such a new addition and an "open plan" home such as how you describe your's.

    I also do not think you should be coupling Zeke with Diva on lead, as you do not fully know his temperament and character. It would take weeks or even months to detemine exactly how well Zeke is adjusting to your home and lifestyle. Any of these fights could have happened on the coupler lead and you could have had a doubly dangerous situation there. (fighting/strangulation etc)

    Again, I'm sorry this is happening to you. I hope you can find a solution as soon as possible :(
     
  10. rocco33

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    I appreciate you have your heart in the right place, but having read the other thread about you rescuing him and introducing him to your other dogs, I cannot help feeling that you don't have the experience to handle this and asking questions on the internet is not the right way to go about it. I completely agree with the others, you absolutely must get the help of an experienced behaviourist. It can take several months for a dog to settle into a new home and it's true temperament to come out, but I believe you've had this dog less than a week and are experiencing major problems. You have no background information on this dog and the way he was rescued and introduced leave huge question marks so please, please, for the sake of you, your family, your other dogs and for Zeke get a behaviourist in who is experienced in dealing with rescues too.
     
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  11. Shamen

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    completely agree!

    and im shocked that on the website it states "Diva will be suitable for breeding mid august" she'll be just 12 months old:eek:
     
  12. JSR

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    The more I hear about this 'rescue' the more it's making me shudder. Where is the 'rescue' back up? This is yet again another case of well meaning people getting involved in animal welfare (not you Sarah I'm meaning the person who rehomed this dog to you) without ensuring everything is handled correctly. This dog should have been castrated at the least but a behavioural and health check is also the bare mininimum I'd expect before allowing it to be rehomed. All handled extreamly irresponsiblity and unfortunately it's you, your oh and your dogs that are paying the price.

    I really really hope you are not planning to breed your bitch from this dog?

    And again I ask those who like to slag off rescues for being too strict to pass comment. :(
     
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    I couldn't agree more - Within a few short days, one person has been bitten requiring medical attention, a young dog is now fearful which could have a lasting affect on his temperament - I fear this is a disaster waiting to happen.
     
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    it was not a rescue as such if I remember the first post, I think the dog was on the pts list in a pound or something, they were never met or assessed and she had no clue even if it was a hoax at first, so no clue of clues about anything here...
    The whole thing was an insane moment of madness in my opinion, with a male puppy at home (from another post just coming up to his naughty stream) an entire bitch who is barley a pup herself :eek: suddenly another entire male and a stunning looking one at that just as she is looking to breed her girl in a few months time, just assumptions, but I think it was impulse and the idea of breeding that ruled judgment here, hope not as it would have been a totally insane one!

    One thing is rescuing a dog, but to compromise an already fine balance at home it's just mad, will be slaughtered for this I am sure, but some one has to say it.
     
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    Thats what i worry about, with him being a mal cross they seem to hold grudges, zeb was attack 4 different times by similar breeds as a puppy this had lead to him hating all unknown dogs that "look" similar.

    Hopefully Sarah can sort it out before it gets to that stage tho.

    Oh and i asked ages ago about Divas birthday and she said it was a mistake and that she's an 08 birthday year not 09 :)
     
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    Sarah I also notice on your website that you offer to take back any puppy you breed which is admirable but how are you going to cope if, god forbid, you breed and sell a litter and 2 or 3 of them bounce back to you for whatever reason??

    I think your motives for homing Zeke were admirable but like others have said, it is sounding worse and worse :(

    You need specialist help here. Call in a behaviourist.
     
  17. Shamen

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    not according to this passed thread http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-chat/94295-passed.html it makes Diva around 16 months old in August, i think thats far far to young for slow maturing breeds like mals and huskies but maybe the experts in the breeds will correct me if im wrong:eek:
     
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    I am surprised that Zeke wasn't neutered before being rehomed as I thought pretty well all rescues neutered first. I too wouldn't leave the boys alone unless you are 100 % monitering the situation it may just be adjusting issues but I wouldn't take the chance with the pup....Jill
     
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    Hun you have to remember these boys are half malamute and this is same sex aggression on Zekes behalf as he is an adolescent in a new place trying to establish his place,having a bitch there multiplies his need to do this by about 100

    is he neutered?
    This can help but i have to warn you they may never get on.
    Friends looked after my last malamute boy, they had 1 male and 1 female husky. Nero was neutered but still had same sex aggression which i told them about and made it clear not to allow Nero near their husky male.
    Long story short they thought they knew better than me and let them all loose together. The result?
    Nero attacked the male husky as it came near the bitch resulting in a very nasty broken jaw for the husky male :(

    You may have to consider permenantly seperating them if you can
     
  20. rocco33

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    Most do, although not all (usually breed rescues). That said, there is something not right about how this dog was rescued. I find it very worrying that Sarah doesn't even know the name of the rescue - clearly hasn't had a home check and it looks doubtful if any health or behavioural checks have been done on Zeke. As JSR says, a case of well meaning people who don't know what they are doing - it's a recipe for disaster.
     
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