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Malaysian official: God made animals for testing

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  1. testmg80

    testmg80 PetForums VIP

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    Now this is a really controversal article, I don't know why they couldn't use convicted felons instead. They're a waste anyway.

    KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia -- A Malaysian government official defended an Indian company's plans to build an animal testing medicine lab in his state, saying Monday that God created monkeys and rats for experiments to benefit humans.

    The plans by India's Vivo BioTech Ltd. to set up a biotechnology center in southern Malacca state has come under fire by activists because it will conduct tests on dogs and primates to make medicines. The activists say Malaysia has no regulations on animal research, which could lead to test subjects being abused.

    But Malacca Chief Minister Mohamad Ali Rustam said the lab had received state approval, and animal testing was necessary to make drugs. The project is still in the planning phase.

    "God created animals for the benefits of human beings. That's why he created rats and monkeys ... We cannot test on human beings," he told The Associated Press. "This is the way it has to be. God created monkeys, and some have to be tested."

    He said Malaysian agencies, such as the wildlife department, could monitor that the animals were not abused and proper procedures followed. He said eating animals could also be seen as cruel, and yet it was widely accepted.

    Vivo inked a 450 million ringgit ($141 million) joint-venture deal in January to build the biotechnology center, including laboratories where trial medicines will be tested on animals. Its partners are state government-owned Melaka Biotech Holdings and local firm Vanguard Creative Technologies.

    Malaysia's Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals slammed Mohamad Ali's statement, saying it had not been scientifically proven that animal testing was necessary to develop medicine.

    "Our primates will be snatched from the forests to be tested for what? Animal testing really leads to nowhere," group representative Christine Chin-Radford said Monday.

    "We are not confident at all that ... their welfare will be looked at properly. We are concerned about this exportation of cruelty to Malaysia," Chin-Radford said.

    SPCA, together with European animal rights groups, submitted a protest letter to the government last month, urging it to halt the project. Chin-Radford said animal cruelty is against Malaysian law, and there are no separate guidelines to govern the treatment of test animals.

    Animal rights activists say companies are increasingly outsourcing animal testing to Asia, where regulations are more lax and costs are lower than in the West. India also has strict rules concerning animal testing, Chin-Radford said.

    Vivo has said previously it may import beagles from Holland and try to obtain domestic primates for testing.

    Last year, a French pharmaceutical research company proposed building an animal testing laboratory in southern Johor state using imported macaques, but the project was suspended amid an outcry from environmental groups.

    Malaysian official: God made animals for testing
     
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    Totally agree with you
    Some people use their religion as an excuse for anything & twist it to suit their purpose:mad:
     
  3. Waterlily

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    God this p*sses me off :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  4. leashedForLife

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    i hope that was a joke? :huh: here in the USA, land of the not-so-free and home of the wage-slave,
    we ALREADY * DO and have for many decades, tested on prisoners.
    and in case U have not already guessed, its an ugly business.

    * U cannot get "informed consent" from someone who is told that PARTICIPATION "might" sway the parole board -
    or the prisoner who is told that if they do not volunteer, they will lose some privileges - losing privileges might not
    sound like much, but that may include once-weekly showers, time in the gym (out of ones 8 x 8 cell), and more -
    every privilege is priceless, and thats intimidation + blackmail.

    * prisoners have no recourse whatever if they are hurt, long-term scarred, they get no PAIN meds because it might screw-up
    the data-set, they have no medical claims cuz no matter what happened, THEY * VOLUNTEERED - and waived rights.

    seeing men with a 2 to 4-inch burn, 2nd-degree from some skin preparation is not unusual - and they cannot be treated;
    they have to live with whatever side-FX till the study is DONE, or quit - and quitting goes in their file - forever.

    the prison, of course, is PAID per prisoner - thats why they want participants. like i said...
    its a really ugly bizness. :thumbdown:

    all my best,
    --- terry
     
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    Not so nice for the animals either - and they DON'T give their consent.
     
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    hey, gwen! :--)
    i realize that - but the prisoners don;t really, either. they do it because it is presented as a U better do it, or else... - which is not a choice.

    i am not *supporting* animal-testing per se - i am saying using prisoners leads to flagrant abuse of its own.
    all my best,
    --- terry
     
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    In this day and age with all the technology we have you would think we would be way past all this animal/human testing anyway. I wish they would yank their fingers out of their bottoms, get rid of their God complex and get on with using the technology available instead of torturing their fellow creatures.
     
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    :thumbup: exactly :)
     
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    It makes me wonder how long 'modern man' will continue to cling to and hide behind a superstition?
    The most only require a God when a family member falls ill because they have no faith in the doctors or surgeons skills, and the few who drape themselves in the hallowed cloth of religion are the very individuals who make this world a dangerous place to live in. :(
     
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    Lol not all religious peeps are over the top :D I have beliefs and nature or man is at no threat from me pmsl................except from been completely annoyed outta there brains :scared: :lol:
     
  11. JANICE199

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    Totaly agree with you.:D

    But the prisoners still have a choice,they may not like it but then prisons shouldn't be a place for holidays.:(
     
  12. leashedForLife

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    as i have explained in a half-dozen ways already, janice -
    no one who is being blackmailed by people who can literally make life a living H*** if the person (in a moment
    of insane resistance or ignorant optimism - that this really IS an option) says No.

    CHOICE + *informed consent* is always legally defined as freely given, not compelled.


    ta,
    --- terry

    PS - just in case U are unfamiliar with the level of brutality in Merikan prisons, there is a long broad flight of stone-steps in Lewisberg Penitentiary; more than one prisoner has *accidentally* fallen down them during an escorted transfer, with their hands shackled behind their backs.

    can U say *head injuries*?

    prisoners who were ONCE on heroin (which withdrawal can be miserable, but not lethal) are put on *methodone* -
    look up the symptoms of withdrwal, which can KILL.
    this is another means of control for the guards; they know when U are due for Ur shot, and if U p*ss them off, they let U wait...
    and wait... until U are crawling on all 4s sobbing around the floor of Ur cell, having vomited until now it is just dry-heaves,
    and unable to walk.
    THEN... they unlock the door, and U crawl to the infirmary.
    or if U are lucky + the guard compassionate (ha-ha), they loftily allow 2 friends to hoist U by the armpits, to get U there faster.

    do U think U will deny the guard ANYthing after that?


    oh, yeah - and don;t forget how many prisoners are actually innocent.
    Google *the innocence project*.


    have a nice day. :) IMO even the guilty deserve to have a CHOICE. ** U know - the kind with more than One Answer. **
     
  13. serpentseye

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    i'll tell you what god made - a mistake! he should of never created humans. we are disgraceful and should never have existed. WE should be the ones being culled and neutered! the world would be much better off if we were.
     
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    Erm can you repeat that in easy terms please.:rolleyes:
     
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    No. :) ta,
    --- terry

     
  16. Spellweaver

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    What he's saying Janice is the poor little prisoners (who of course have have never done anyone any harm :rolleyes: ) are given methadone instead of the heroin they are addicted to by the nasty prison doctors who are very meanly trying to detox them. Then the nasty prison guards withold their methadone until the poor, ill-treated, nice little prisoners will sign up to the drugs testing program.

    So the poor little prisoners get nasty burns and even nastier side effects from the drugs they are testing and Terry thinks this is wrong. He thinks it is far better to make animals suffer this sort of thing than the poor little prisoners.
     
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    i did not say that, weaver -

    i said that methadone is an even-more dangerous addiction than heroin to GET * OFF,
    and (heres the new bit - careful, now) U could skip the $$ and the danger of methadone, by ---
    getting prisoners OFF heroin, and NOT giving them methadone as a new addiction to replace the old.


    think of the $$$ to be saved. :thumbup: then think of those poor guards - losing one of their all-time best
    coercive hands-free, no-bruises, no-scars torture methods. awww... :nonod: the poor fellas...







    they will think of something else. :) no worries... but they would lose ONE tactic.
     
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    from Methadone / Opiate withdrawal by Dr. David Arneson, NMD; March 21, 2005

     
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    Thankyou for clearing that up for me.I still say then, test on the prisoners and not animals.I'm sick of keeping low lives in prisons.:thumbup::D
     
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    i did not say that either, weaver -
     
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