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Let my dogs bite yours in safety!

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Dogless, Jan 3, 2012.


  1. Dogless

    Dogless PetForums VIP

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    Just a bizarre encounter / conversation I had the other day which I have been mulling over.

    I often take Kilo to a busy park for socialisation purposes and we went the other day when I knew it would be jam packed full of kids with their new bikes etc and people out for a walk.

    I was stopped with Kilo as he was reading some pee mails and a man came by with two poms on flexis. One of them shot over and sniffed him, which was OK although made him jump as it approached from behind, but the other shot over and started baring it's teeth, barking, snarling and darting in for the odd nip. Kilo didn't like this (funnily enough!) and just mustered one enormous bark which spurred the man to reel his dogs back in :thumbup1:.

    However he then said "you should have that dog muzzled". We had a fairly long and polite conversation the gist of which is that large dogs should be muzzled in case they bite small dogs that are aggressive towards them - the old 'mine are tiny so can't do any damage' argument which seems to be a universal excuse for not addressing issues with tiny dogs. There seems to be a perception that large dogs need to be calm and steady and take anything thrown at them by smaller ones who are just being 'feisty'. Where did this commonly - held belief stem from I wonder?

    I know many, many responsible small dog owners and this is NOT a rant against small dogs but why does there seem to be this minority of owners who refuse to take any responsibility for their dogs at all simply because of their size? The only two dogs to have ever attacked Kilo and drawn blood have been a border terrier and a JRT - both owners shrugged it off with the JRT owner saying "Oh, she always does that" :frown2:.
     
  2. Sarah1983

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    It's something I've noticed too. The amount of people who found it funny that a Shih Tzu barked and tried to bite anyone who went near the bench his owner was sitting on was beyond belief. I once asked whether they'd find that behaviour funny if the dog was a Great Dane and the answer was basically "well he's too small to hurt anyone" :frown2:

    Maybe they should tell that to my friend whose career as a groomer was destroyed by a tiny dog savaging her hands and causing severe nerve damage. Or to the little boy whose genitals were chewed off by a Dachshund. Or the baby who was killed by a Pomeranian. Any dog of any size can cause harm and as far as I'm concerned if you'd find the behaviour unacceptable in a large dog then it's just as unacceptable in a tiny dog.
     
  3. Blondie

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    Well, good for you for having a polite conversation - bet other words were going through your head, coz I would have been fuming!! :mad5:

    And anyway, bites from smaller dogs can bloody hurt - as I well know!! :(
     
  4. Dogless

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    Absolutely :thumbup1:. A few people watched this and chuckled at the poms then a man said to me "oooh he's a handful isn't he?". Not really, he just stood up and barked :confused:. As it is, I always walk him on his headcollar in busy places like that for very close control.
     
  5. Dogless

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    At least you can try and make a fair point if you keep it polite I think...no matter what I may have been thinking :p.
     
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    I dont understand why, if people are concerned a large dog might bite/kill their little dog they dont do something to prevent it happening.:confused: (by which I mean rein their dog in, not moan at other people for having the temerity of walking where they want to go!:rolleyes:).
    Small dogs can often be mouthy or yappy and mine are no exception. Unfortunately too many large dogs have scared and intimidated them over the years.:( But they tend to bark furiously to keep another dog away, they would never chase after one....and if forced to meet a dog that scares them they run. I wouldnt let them off the lead if they tried to bite other dogs, common sense surely??:confused:
     
  7. Dogless

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    I understand that lots (like yours) make a noise as they are on the defensive due to past experiences...but to me folk are plain daft to let their tinies actively have a go at a dog they are afraid may harm them!!
     
  8. Blondie

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    And some people think I am nutty for not letting mine off free running when other dogs are about - if that Pom had done that to Maddie for example she'd have eaten it probs!! :eek:
     
  9. Cleo38

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    I think everyone with a large dog has had this 'conversation' with a certain type of small dog owner :rolleyes:

    I love all dogs; big & small but it's the owners that I have a problem with :D

    Last summer I was out with Roxy (who was on her lead), walking along the river bank where boats are moored. She was attacked by a small dog who flew off one of the boats, ran under neath her then went for her throat. It was awful, I was so shocked at the time.

    I tried to kick the small dog away but couldn't. Roxy wouldn't 'leave' (& why should she, she was being attacked!). As she is reactive when on her lead I thought she was going to kill the other dog but all credit to her, she pinned the small dog down by it's leg. It still kept trying to go for but in the end she released it & it ran back to it's owner.

    Of course Roxy was to blame, I was shouted at & told she should be muzzled .... blah, blah!! Apprently Roxy should have known she was the bigger dog & backed down ....reallly?!!! Or .... the small dog should be leashed as it was obviously aggressive!

    I was told afterwards that this dog had done to this other dogs & the owners also couldn't understand why people were angry as their dog was 'only little' :rolleyes:

    I know this must be so frustrating for small dog owners who do train their animlas & treat them as dogs. I know from experience that the breed of your dog can make people very judgemental so this is more of a comment on certain type of dog owners rather than their dog!!
     
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    A market stall owner had two Lhasa Apsos on-lead, which were barking, lunging and growling at a woman and her pram the other day in the market, no more than 5 feet between each other. The woman with the pram was just laughing at 'the small little doggies' and the market stall owner was texting on her phone, every now and then telling her dogs to 'shut up!'. Drove me up the wall! :mad5:
     
  11. sailor

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    I get fed up of Sailor being lunged at by tiny aggressive dogs and the owners look at me as tho its all my fault and they give Sailor a wide birth muttering, he better not hurt my dog :shocked:

    I have also lost count of the times I have had to literally stand in shrubs or push myself right up against walls etc to allow such owners with such dogs to get past.

    And they always seem to have the little dogs on the longest lead possible taking no notice of it :confused:

    Its one of my pet hates!
     
  12. Dogless

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    Kilo was on his lead and headcollar, just to clarify - way too busy a place to not be!!
     
  13. Dogless

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    Wow...not sure what to say about that!!

    How horrible and lucky that Roxy didn't do any damage. I am talking about certain types of owner too, definitely not certain specific breeds or all small dogs / owners. There are loads of badly behaved large dogs about and I have a long way to go with Kilo by far BUT this particular problem seems specific to the tinies with rubbish owners!

    Ah yes, the scrambling into undergrowth and brambles....love it, especially when not a word of thanks or nod of acknowledgement is given :frown2:.
     
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    These type of owners seem blissfully unaware what their little darling is like, when they see this behaviour they think either how funny or brave their dog is! Glad most people with smaller dogs aren't the same as this.
    It is a similar mentality that those with rotties, gsd's, staffies etc have when they only have them for the 'macho' look.
    Drives me mad :frown2:
     
  15. Sarah1983

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    We had a similar incident before Rupert became aggressive. Just walking down the street when this Shih Tzu flies at him snarling and starts biting at his legs and belly. My boyfriend at the time tried seeing it off but it just kept dodging around him and biting at Rupe again. It's owners, an elderly couple, just stood there laughing at it and saying "oh he thinks he's a Rottweiler!". Anyway, Rupe eventually reacted and grabbed this little dog. All hell broke loose then, the elderly couple were ranting and raving about my vicious dog and about how he should be put to sleep before he killed a child and all that. Never mind that their dog had attacked mine and mine had eventually retaliated!
     
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    My god, some of the posts on here are truely shocking :eek: why the hell should those smaller dogs be allowed to get away with such behaviour? They're still dogs at the end of the day, just slightly smaller, they should still be under control :mad: If I were to experience anything like this when Alfie is fully grown I have a feeling my response would be less than polite and probably end in "off" ;)
     
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    I can remember having many polite conversations with a woman whose terrier was forever flinging itself at Alfie, it never really bit him but was always growling, jumping and generally trying to intimidate him :mad:

    Him being like he is always backed down to this little terrorist, so I felt that I had to react for him, so one day, still politely I told the woman as she was laughing at Alfie trying to take avoidance measures with her dog. "You laugh now but I can assure you that one day he will lose his temper, you will not be laughing then"

    Never had any trouble after that :D
     
  18. Dogless

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    I do feel like that...but think that, even if you get one person to think about why what happened did happen, then that is a good thing!
     
  19. Dogless

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    Kilo always backs off, never retaliates as he is a little bit of a wuss (in the nicest possible sense!!)...when he did his one huge bark he had backed off behind me to do it...but I worry that, one day, he will retaliate (and I wouldn't blame him) and, as you say, the owners of the other dogs won't be laughing then. And neither would I be, before anyone thinks it would give me any satisfaction; it wouldn't - quite the opposite :(.
     
  20. Cleo38

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    It's an awful experience isn't it?! That's sort of how it happened with Roxy, the owner laughed at first & shouted 'she's only playing' .... what whilst growling, snarling & bearing her teeth???!!!

    I also was told that Roxy was a danger to children if she acted like that. I feel angry now just thinking about it. I doubt any dog would have reacted differently tbh but as Roxy was bigger she was to blame.

    What was so annoying is that despite all this, I hadf to avoid that particular walk until they had gone as I didn't want a repeat occurrence. Luckily they moved soon after as one of the houses nearby complained that they let their dogs run through his garden all the time (they never leashed the dogs & let them go wherever they wanted). It set us back alot though regarding her reactivity & took a few months to get over.
     
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