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Kitten advice needed

Discussion in 'Cat Chat' started by Azzie, Apr 13, 2019.


  1. Azzie

    Azzie PetForums Newbie

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    Hello everyone. I am in desperate need of asvixe. A neighbour's cat had kittens and she offered to give me one. I saw the kitten and fell in love with him as I have always been a fan of black and white cats. However, I was a bit surprised that she wanted to give the kitten away at 6 week old. Alarm bells rang and a quick Google Search (this forum came up) proved my gut feeling was correct. I asked the lady to keep him for 12 weeks but she refused and said he has to be gone by week 8. I have to pick the kitten up on the 23rd of April. When I went to see the kitten, I was surprised to find out the lady hasn't even attempted to start them on solid. The other owners were happy to collect their kittens at 6 weeks old and only mine is still with mum. When I asked why she hasn't started them on solids, her response threw me off. She said that she has carpets. I am really worried when I take the kitten on the agreed date, he won't eat anything.



    I also want general advice about which cat litter is safe for kittens, the food that I should start him on and how to litter train him.
     
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  2. Azzie

    Azzie PetForums Newbie

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    *advice
     
  3. spotty cats

    spotty cats PetForums VIP

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    Will she let you have mum as well? Obviously doesn’t care enough to get her spayed or keep her inside.

    I would walk away instead of supporting her irresponsibility. Visit a rescue or registered breeder if you want a kitten.
     
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  4. Rufus15

    Rufus15 ~ Orrono Maine Coons ~

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    If you can get mum away as suggested, that would be ideal. Her attitude is disgusting
     
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  5. Summercat

    Summercat PetForums VIP

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    Maybe agree to take the kitten only if she keeps them with the mother till older. Ask the other interested people to do the same and maybe she will relent.

    You may have to then cover the costs of the kitten vacinations they will need going up to 12 weeks, worming etc and offer to do so if she keeps the babies longer.
     
  6. Rufus15

    Rufus15 ~ Orrono Maine Coons ~

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    I understand the rest of the kittens have gone, rehomed at 6 weeks
     
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    Summercat PetForums VIP

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    Ah yes, I see, so the others are gone. Will likely be issues for owners down the road, especially if homed single.
     
  8. Rufus15

    Rufus15 ~ Orrono Maine Coons ~

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    Indeed :(
     
  9. Raggie08

    Raggie08 PetForums Member

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    Oh dear :( certainly ask if you can take Mum too, the fact that she was happy for the kittens to go at 6 weeks shows what type of a person she is...full on BYB.
     
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  10. jasperthecat

    jasperthecat My best buddy.

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    First of all it isn't the mother or her kitten's fault that they are in that position so don't discount and walk away from the kitten just because others are angry at the owner's obvious irresponsibility.. Unfortunately there are still many irresponsible cat owners and all one can do is deal with the aftermath of such irresponsible behaviour as in this case because it seems education is still failing for those type of owners.:(

    However, on a slightly happier note, if you fell in love with the kitten then why fall out of love with it just because the owner won't keep the kitten for longer than 8 weeks old? As I've said it's not the kitten's fault and it will need a loving and caring home and it appears you have the innate responsibility needed to give the kitten the love and care it needs so at least you can make a difference to one kitten's future.

    While I wouldn't normally recommend taking a kitten from the litter earlier than 12-13 weeks old, when we got Jasper who was bred by my daughter, as the bullied and marginalised litter runt, he had to be removed from the litter for his own well being at just 8 weeks old and with our intervention and care he's turned into a fantastically loving and extremely well adjusted healthy cat so don't let the 8 weeks old business put you off.
    The only thing I would say is that if you do take on the kitten, then with the kitten being quite young, you will have to invest quality time in play and educating/socialising the kitten as it will have missed out much on sibling play which you will have to replicate. That's not difficult and actually think of it as an opportunity to also influence and help shape the future character and behaviour of the kitten so there are benefits of taking on a very young kitten even if it isn't recommended.;)
     
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  11. SuboJvR

    SuboJvR Joey’s Mummy

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    I would also support the idea of asking if you can take mum as well, poor girl.

    But if not - don’t despair. Weaning is a process not a single event in any case.

    I wonder if you bought some replacement kitten formula ...

    https://fetch.co.uk/royal-canin-bab...Dl4tjFAIIx_uSeRLbXtsTur0GYHpxXWRoCFywQAvD_BwE

    Would she allow you to go and spend a bit of time with the kitten to see if they will drink it? (It does need to be made up from a powder and can be given in the bottles in the kit or just from a saucer). Then at least you have some assurance that when kitty comes home with you, you have something you can feed whilst you introduce solid food.

    We got Joey at 5-6 weeks old and even when he was really poorly (he felt really nauseated I know) he would still go mad for this milk. I suspect your kitten would do the same but it will be a big adjustment to go from having mum to depend on and cuddle into to then not.

    My top tip otherwise will be to make sure you are there for the kitten as much as possible, keep them company day and night, plenty of cuddles! It’s a big adjustment for them made easier with lots of love.
     
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  12. ewelsh

    ewelsh PetForums VIP

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    Hello and welcome

    Well done you having alarm bells going off. As you can see some passionate responses above. You already know this lady is not doing things the right or the kind way for the kitten or the older cat. I have to applaud you for asking the lady questions and keeping your kitten with the mum a little longer.

    Can I ask, has the lady asked for money for this kitten?

    You have a few choices -
    1. Walk away, and go to a shelter which has already been mentioned. You will find a kitten the correct age and one who has been with mum for the correct amount of time. Already had its injections, vet checks and the kitten will be in tip top health, raring to climb your curtains.
    Indeed you are worried about this little black and white kitten, sadly people will always buy or have kittens like this, so your little black and white kitten will find a home, so don’t let that trouble you, you didn’t cause this, you don’t have to support this,

    2. Have the little black and white, definitely take this kitten to the vets ASAP for injections, wormers, to be weighed etc. I know very little about weaning so I’m sure others will come along and help.
    You won’t have a problem giving kitten food, the pet or supermarkets are full of brands. I would say feed wet preferably with a high meat content and grain free never dried. As for litter tray, I would use a lowest tray you can find.

    Your biggest issue will be replacing the Mum, so you need one to one play cuddles etc.



    Don’t worry too much, I took on a kitten Libby 6-7 weeks who was in an awful state, I got CP and rspca involved yet I still took this kitten. 7 years down the line she is the love of my life, she has cost me a small fortune in vet bills.

    Do I support byb = NO
    Would I do it all again and buy Libby knowing what I know = YES

    Good luck, don’t feel pressured to have the mum, all you can do is what’s right for you.
     
  13. Quartermass

    Quartermass PetForums Senior

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    For me the key thing to avoid is paying someone for a kitten that could encourage them to do it again or even dissuade them from neutering.

    So long as you're not doing that then you're not encouraging more problems.

    I think the rest of the advice is excellent and I've nothing to add.
     
  14. Azzie

    Azzie PetForums Newbie

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    Hi all. Thanks for your help and advice. First of all, I can't walk away from the kitten as I fell in love with him as soon as I saw him. I am getting the kitten for free as the lady in the neighborhood is desperate to get rid of the litter aasap. I wouldn't even mind paying for him as I love him so much already. My kitty is the last one left as all his siblings were all rehomed at 6 weeks and they weren't paired up. Each kitten was given away individually. I can only hope they have decent owners. The lady has made it clear if I don't collect him when he turns 8 weeks, she will just give him to someone else. I have no choice but to take him on the agreed date. I have already asked if I can have MUM too as the kitty is still only drinking milk exclusively from MUM. He turns 7 weeks this Tuesday but I am collecting on the 23rd when he turns 8 weeks old.

    The lady has informed that he is drinking from a bowl on his own. My main concern is the kitten not eating solids after he arrives. Of course I will take him to the vet if he doesn't eat and seek professional advice. I will also buy Royal Canin milk in advance before his arrival. Truth be told, I don't have weaning experience with kittens and I am preparing for the worst (kitty not eating etc...)
    I may also have to train him to use a litter box. I am prepared for all the hard work.

    At 8 weeks old, what is the best food I can give him? Also, what cat litter should I be using? I want something safe as I have heard kittens sometimes eat the cat litter.
     
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    lillytheunicorn PetForums Senior

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    Hi,

    Royal Canin baby mousse is often used for weaning, as it’s soft squishy and appealing. You can add some kitten milk to it. Usually kittens wean themselves, they try mum’s food. I didn’t feed my kittens on it as they were quite happy munching away on mums food but all kittens are different. I have had foster kittens who were 5 weeks old separated from mum and they started eating on their own. Any grain free high protein food would be good to get him onto in the future. There is a sticky in the cat health and nutrition forum called Zooplus cat food list.

    I would suggest you worm and flea treat him, when you collect him as I suspect the owner of mum hasn’t worked or flea treated mum. You can use advantage from 8 weeks old, with a wormer though we usually use panacur for kittens it does not kill tapeworm and as I suspect that mum hasn’t been flea treated I would go with drontal or similar vet uk cat wormer is a cheaper version. The new kitten package you can get at the vets often includes a wormer and flea treatment.

    I use breeders celect, a paper based litter for the kittens in case they do have a munch. You definitely wouldn’t want to use clay based litter until he is older, as that’s the one they shouldn’t eat. If you keep him in a smallish room with a couple of litter tray and if he does have an accident put it in the litter tray so he associates that with the litter tray. Hopefully he would have already leant to use the litter tray by again watching mum.
     
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    lorilu PetForums VIP

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    Is she going to let the mother cat go to you too? If not, you could offer to arrange to have her spayed anyway. Save this poor cat from going through this again.
     
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    @lorilu I am going back 20odd years here, but my elderly next door neighbours cat was forever having kittens, she showed me the kittens one day, blue eyes and squeaking, they were beautiful. The next day I went to look at these kittens and they were gone! She had only gone and drown them! Well I was beside myself.
    So what did I do....
    I stole her cat and had her spayed, I had to keep her cat hidden in my house for ages because the flipping humongous shaven patch on her side! :eek:

    I lied through my teeth every morning when she asked if I saw Kitty! :oops: Don’t regret it at all. Back those days and that generation that’s the way things were done!

    There is so much information around now days, there’s no need for such carelessness on the owners part.

    Maybe @Azzie once ou have your kitten, leave her a leaflet on neutering. Subtle I know but better than stealing the cat :)
     
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    @Azzie could you ask to borrow mum cat for a few weeks to make it easier to wean kitten onto solids?
     
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  19. Mrs Funkin

    Mrs Funkin Human mother to Oscar

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    I always knew I liked you @ewelsh - that is flipping awesome :)
     
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    Oh @ewelsh , I wish it was the case of 20 odd years ago and different generation ...
    Phoebe will be 7 this year which makes my friend (like me) 28 when she was born (because it's better for a female cat to have one litter before being spayed :rolleyes:).
    My friend asked my Dad to drown the kittens, luckily I found out and threatened not to speak to either of them again if they did anything to them!
    Told her she had to be responsible for the mess she created and that I would help find homes for them :Banghead
     
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