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Kidney Failure

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by GoldenShadow, Mar 22, 2019.


  1. GoldenShadow

    GoldenShadow PetForums VIP

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    Apologies for starting a thread as I know there are some about kidney problems, but my head is a blur and I’m trying to figure out what to do.

    Carmen is 11 in a couple of weeks, she is a Chinese Crested and we got her as a rescue in Dec 2013.

    She hasn’t been very well of late but was being treated with antibiotics for an infection. She was being sick, so had some bloods taken today and has been diagnosed with kidney failure. The vets think she has probably lost 75% of kidney function already, and so the prognosis is poor.

    They’ve mentioned special renal foods, is there anybody with experience of this that can recommend one? I don’t know how severe her symptoms are likely to get, how noticeable it will be, whether she is in pain etc. I should probably ring the vets back to ask, but I don’t think I’ll manage to get the words out just now.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
     

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    My toy poodle Pepe the smaller one in the photo was diagnosed with kidney disease as well as cataracts and glaucoma last year, I tried the Royal Canin renal tins at first which he ate for only a couple of days it was very sticky and I think it found it very difficult to eat. I then bought Royal Canin renal pouches which were much more expensive but were like pieces of meat in a gravy these he ate for a couple of months and then he went of those. After discussion with the vet I gave him the dog food he had always had Natures Menu tins and added Ipakitine powder to it which is a phosphate binder. Again after a while he wouldn’t eat that either so I cooked for him things like chicken fish minced beef together with veg. I added the Ipakitine to that but then found another phosphate binder called pronefra which was a liquid and could be given orally with a syringe straight after he had eaten. Sadly I lost him to the kidney disease in November 2018 but he was also virtually blind as well, bless him. I also lost my other toy poodle Rusty last year as well in May 2018. I would let your dog eat whatever he wants at this stage but add a phosphate binder as dogs with kidney disease often lose their appetites and he may as well enjoy the time he has left.
     
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    I am going through exactly the same as you at the moment,my girl was diagnosed with kidney failure early this week,we have to take her back to the vets on Tuesday for them to explain the diet needed and any questions I have I do have loads of questions so it's a good job I have a double appointment,the vets have put her on a digestion food and boiled chicken for food at the moment she is having this every 4 hours.
     
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    Oh I’m so sorry GoldenShadow.
     
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    Cant offer any help but wanted to say I’m really sorry.
     
  6. Masikanadah

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    First of all I am so sorry to hear about your poor Carmen. I am a veterinary technician and actually the food specialist at my hospital. The food we use the most for kidney problems is Hill’s prescription K/D diet. The food enhances appetite, has controlled amounts of phosphorous, protects kidney and heart function as well as supports a dogs natural ability to build lean muscle as it is high in amino acids. Kidney failure unfortunately is common in older dogs, and while prescription food can help, kidney damage ultimately is irreversible and foods like these are mostly meant to improve the quality of your dogs life while they live with the disease and slow it’s progression rather than reverse the damage. Also they are mostly used in dogs that have kidney disease and not kidney failure, with the one leading to the other. Any treatment, food, or medication would only serve to slow the progression of the damage. Loss of appetite, diarrhea, vomiting, lethargy, weight loss, these are all signs of end stage kidney failure so I would monitor Carmen very closely. I am so sorry. I know how difficult this must be. My heart goes out to you both.
     
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    First of all I am so sorry to hear about your poor Carmen. I am a veterinary technician and actually the food specialist at my hospital. The food we use the most for kidney problems is Hill’s prescription K/D diet. The food enhances appetite, has controlled amounts of phosphorous, protects kidney and heart function as well as supports a dogs natural ability to build lean muscle as it is high in amino acids. Kidney failure unfortunately is common in older dogs, and while prescription food can help, kidney damage ultimately is irreversible and foods like these are mostly meant to improve the quality of your dogs life while they live with the disease and slow it’s progression rather than reverse the damage. Also they are mostly used in dogs that have kidney disease and not kidney failure, with the one leading to the other. Any treatment, food, or medication would only serve to slow the progression of the damage. Loss of appetite, diarrhea, vomiting, lethargy, weight loss, these are all signs of end stage kidney failure so I would monitor Carmen very closely. I am so sorry. I know how difficult this must be. My heart goes out to you both.
     
  8. GoldenShadow

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    Thanks everyone.

    I feel quite torn. The vet has said they don’t think she will be in pain, more miserable due to feeling sick. My gut reaction is to stop her from having to deal with deterioration, especially as we know she is unlikely to have much, if any, relief. We have got her on a royal canin renal at the moment as it was all we could get our hands on yesterday.

    In herself she’s alright. Excited to go for walks etc. She’s been a cuddly sleepy dog her whole life, much more cat like than dog.
     
  9. ttaylor45

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    As I mentioned in my earlier post Pepe had kidney disease and in the last couple of weeks of his life I am sure he was feeling sick all the time as the only way I could get him to eat and that was only a very small amount was to give him an appetite stimulant prescribed by my vet. Pepe was also drinking an enormous amount of water which is also very common in kidney disease. The day I lost Pepe the vet did say she could give him something else to stop the feeling of nausea but it would be only for a very short time. I couldn’t bear to think of him suffering a moment longer so I took the decision to let him go there and then. He had also lost a lot of weight and was virtually blind with cataracts and glaucoma so he didn’t really have any quality of life anymore.
     
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    I’m really sorry to hear this :( I’ve had no experience of this with dogs but have had it with several cats. Things I found helpful were antacids for the excess stomach acid that is common with kidney failure, slippery elm is good for this too, I also found raising one of my cats food bowls helped enormously with this, I had his bowl head height so he didn’t have to bend down to eat.
     
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  11. rona

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    Very sorry to hear this
     
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    Thanks everyone, really appreciate your posts.

    My husband said that he keeps forgetting about it and then it hits him again. He’s not very emotional usually but I think this is hitting him quite hard. Considering she’s her usual self (still pottering after me upstairs etc) makes it harder to understand.

    One of my colleagues was giving her dog an appetite stimulant towards the end. I don’t think I want to go down that route, she’s such a greedy pig usually that for her to be hesitant about food must mean she feels a bit rotten.

    This was the little lady earlier, I’ve aince given her a bath because she had sick from yesterday in her hair.
     

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    She,s a sweetheart bless her
     
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    Hi
    I am so sorry for what you are going through. My vet thinks my 12 year old may have kidney failure and we are having bloods done to see what sort of condition her kidneys and liver are at with a view to operating on her bladder(she has a large bladder stone)next month. I do hope your little dog gets some sort of relief and is not in any pain. Is she on pain meds? Take care Dawn.x
     
  15. rona

    rona Still missing my boys

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    She matured into a real beauty didn't she?
     
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