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Just back from walk - RANT!

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Northampton Dog Walker, Jun 14, 2017.


  1. Northampton Dog Walker

    Northampton Dog Walker PetForums Junior

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    Just back from my first walk of the day. Had my own border collie Archie and 2 dogs from same family that I am boarding, Bronte a Boxer and Baxter a lab.

    All 3 dogs walk off lead and are very friendly. Baxter is obsessed with his toy, Bronte just follows Baxter and Archie is obsessed with herding Baxter. During the walk I came across a regular to this park, an older lady who owns a few dogs, at least one of which is highly reactive around other dogs so it's always on lead. This lady rescues new dogs all the time, every few months she will have a different dog.

    Normally I try and avoid her because of this reactive dog. This morning however we turned a corner and there she was. As we were close to the pond my dogs headed straight for the water which they love. Naturally they had to pass this lady, did so without fuss and none of my dogs responded to her reactive dog. The only dog I walk who might react is a Husky who is walked on lead in any case.

    This lady then proceeded to admonish me for not controlling my dogs. So essentially she is saying that every dog in this park must have totally perfect recall at all times even if they won't respond to her reactive dog.

    I pointed out to her that it's not reasonable to expect every other dog to walk on lead in the park just because she has an issue with her dog. She has done nothing to my knowledge about socialising this dog and it's probably getting worse by being on the lead as it does not feel in control and maybe even thinks it's protecting her. Never mind that 95% of all dogs you meet at this park would simply ignore this reactive dog. To me it seems everyone else with well behaved dogs has to suffer because she has a habit of rehoming small, aggressive dogs and then failing to socialise them. Like I've said I try and avoid her when I can and most of the time I am able to change direction and my dogs will follow me. Today however I did not see her until I was about 20 metres from her by which time my dogs were already passing her on their way to the pond.

    Rant over but it really annoys me when people try and make out it's your fault when it's their dog that has an issue.

    Gary
     
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  2. Lurcherlad

    Lurcherlad PetForums VIP

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    If your dogs didn't interfere with her dog, I don't honestly see what she was complaining about tbh

    I get peeved if loose dogs approach my on leash dog (especially if I ask the owner to recall them) but have no issue with any that pass by without any trouble - even close by. Jack tends to ignore them now mostly, as it happens.

    I agree, if her dog kicks off at the very sight of another dog, then she owes it to that dog to work on lowering his anxiety.
     
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  3. LinznMilly

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    Totally perfect recall is rather vague. 100% recall under any and all circumstances may be unrealistic, but if her argument is that all dogs should either have a reliable recall, and/or a strong "Down-Stay", or be on lead, then she is perfectly correct.

    For the rest of your post, I'm trying to picture the scene:

    Are you saying that the pond lay behind the woman, so the dogs had to pass close by her, with intent on their faces, which may have been initially hard to determine ("are they intent on harming/playing with/coming up to my dog, or are they intent on the water behind me"?)

    Did they have to run in front of her, appearing suddenly from around the corner and cross her path so fast she didn'thave time to react, or even to think about what was going on?

    3 dogs, off lead running towards you IS intimidating - whatever their intention.

    I'm assuming they didn't run up from behind, and diagonally away from the woman?
     
  4. ouesi

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    From your account it does sound like this woman overreacted, as we all do at times as imperfect human beings.
    As your dogs were fine and her dog was fine, it seems like a live and learn situation to me. Perhaps keep your dogs closer when you're going around blind corners etc.
    I often walk my dogs in a state park that is normally empty, but I still call them close when there is a blind turn in the path, not just because there might be other people who might not appreciate two very large dogs approaching them, but because there might also be wildlife I wouldn't want my guys to chase.

    It's easy to assume things about people with reactive dogs, but remember these are just assumptions. You have no idea the work that has or has not gone in to this dog. For all we know, those worst looking reactive dogs are having a good day and have come leaps and bounds from where they were before.
    Besides, socializing is not exactly the cure for reactivity either, so there's that....
     
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    Thank god I walk where there are no people and no other dogs 98% of the time and the 2% we can give them a huge wide berth.
     
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    I'm on my way now....
     
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    Bit of a non event really? And while I get what you are saying you come across as a bit judgemental given that you actually work with dogs? Also there are two sides to every story. While I think it was OTT to say anything to you given your dogs ignored her, I imagine she also possibly was anxious about three large dogs possibly running up to and surrounding her on lead dog. You know they won't approach but she doesn't.

    Nothing to do with lack of 'socialising' the dogs either, you make it sound as though it's easy to turn dogs who's background you have no idea of into social butterflies.....
     
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    I would have agreed with you but oddly I am really enjoying walking my dogs in dog walking areas and chatting with different owners. It has taken Toffee a while be better mannered round other dogs but she is really improving so is more relaxing now
     
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    Quite agree. My GSP is now quite reactive to other dogs when he is on a lead (which is another reason I'm glad we hardly see any) and sadly he is on a lead a lot of the time due to his arthritic elbows. He doesn't like other dogs coming near him (tells my other two off if they are playing and might knock into him) so gives off quite a display which has naff all to do with socialisation etc.
     
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    And me! Oh, I think we've just ruined the solitude....

    Actually, where I walk is pretty perfect, but that may also be because we go out at any time between 5 and 6 am, and in the evening we go at about 8.30. I do hate winter though, as it's too dark to go at those times. I was shocked to bump into another couple at 6.30 the other morning, but they were wonderful - they saw my two were on lead and that I had taken them off the track, so immediately called theirs back and popped them on.
     
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    Lola redirects onto Dex, so that's always fun :rolleyes:
     
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    @labradrk and @MiffyMoo this is our usual evening walk in the summer, we rarely see anyone other than an occasional twitcher :)

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    Yours is a million times better than mine! The only place we have a pond (that Dex LOVES) is completely overrun every time I go there. Unfortunately Dex gets so wound up that I have to take him away, as it's really not fair on anyone else, and it turns Lola into a bit of a cowering wreck.
     
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    l'll join you !

    @Northampton Dog Walker "To me it seems everyone else with well behaved dogs has to suffer because she has a habit of rehoming small, aggressive dogs and then failing to socialise them "

    I think she did over react but this not easy with reactive dogs and it gets stressful . In my experience with small reactive rescue terriers , its often about desensitising and counter conditioning , usually because they have been frightened or attacked by other dogs .
     
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    I'm with you there, go out of my way to avoid people. A couple of dogs we walk are very anti-social to particularly breeds, so obviously they are on the lead all the time. However occasionally someone will let their dog run up to us meaning I have to shorten the lead and wait for inevitable. I'll call to the owners asking for them to call their dog back just to be met with "oh he only wants to play/say hello", well he might, the dog I'm with would rather have a punch up.

    It doesn't seem long ago when it was understood that if you approach a dog on a lead you put yours on a lead too. I'd say that happens only about 20% of the time now. There, my rant over.
     
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    It's the fact that the OP is a professional, with 2 dogs that aren't his own, that gets me. Now, I'm not saying that a professional dog walker has no right to complain about other dog walkers - far from it, but this is a non-issue, and the fact he's complaining about it makes me wonder how he'd react if the shoe was on the other foot, and someone with an off lead, out-of-control dog ran up to him while he was with a fearful aggressive or other "reactive" dog, or if a bigger altercation were to ensue.

    @Northampton Dog Walker does Baxter and Bronte's owner know that you are letting them off lead? Are they off lead with permission?
     
  17. Northampton Dog Walker

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    The path narrows where we met this morning but all 3 dogs completely ignored her reactive dog. Had a recalled them as she wished and they responded they would have had to make a 2nd pass of this reactive dog. I see this person all the time and she seems to like to approach people to tell them of her latest rescue and to point out it's not good with other dogs. I can only assume it might be loneliness that causes her to walk in what is the busiest dog park locally. If I had a reactive dog I would firstly pick parks where interaction would be less and I would also make the effort to get them socialised. I have loose dogs approach the Husky I walk all the time and never complain because he's on the lead and I can control him at all times. This lady is about 5'10" so tall for an old lady and seems very able to manage what is such a small dog. I can only assume her moan this morning was because she either got out of the wrong side of bed or was didn't see us coming and was surprised to see 3 dogs pass her (without issue) suddenly.

    Gary
     
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    Her loneliness? Again more judgemental assumptions. Perhaps she is strapped for time and it's the closest place to her house, perhaps her mobility is restricted, perhaps it's a nice location and she wants to walk there and has as much right as you and your 'social' dogs do?

    The fact you keep harping on about "making an effort to get them socialised" shows a severe lack of understanding about how dogs work and is really worrying coming from someone working with them!

    Perhaps have a little more consideration for others problems that actually don't really effect you at all. If your dogs are so well trained then what others do or don't do or where they choose to walk is really none of your business.
     
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    Reactive dogs does not mean they are under socialised...so wrong on many levels
     
  20. Northampton Dog Walker

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    The pond was beyond her and to the right. Because the path narrows at this point they would have had to pass fairly close to her but none of the dogs stopped for an instant to bother her dog. She knows me and my dog well enough to know that they would not be an issue to her dogs. This particular park is popular because none of the badly behaved dogs tend to go there. The vast majority of dogs you meet are off lead. They have different levels of recall but all are sociable. It seems she feels all dogs need to be on lead or walk within 10 feet of their owner which simply takes no account of some breed types and their genetic makeup. A breed like a border collie would go crazy if it was only ever on lead. If I have a dog that cannot be trusted it would always be on lead.

    I feel the issue is with her dog which is highly aggressive. It appears she's allowed to have a badly behaved, aggressive dog but other people are not allowed to have a dog who is off lead. Had one of my dogs reacted to hers and attacked it I would understand but when they completely ignore her dog as they always do I don't see what her issue is.

    Gary
     
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