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Is this Ideopathic Vestibular Disease/Syndrome?

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by reddogs, Jul 30, 2009.


  1. reddogs

    reddogs PetForums Senior

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    I have a puppy who may well have this problem, he will be a year old in August

    About 3/4 weeks ago we noticed that he was stumbling but put this down to his recently diagnosed hip problem.

    Progressively he deteriorated and then was struggling to get up so we visited the vet who thought he may have an ear infection and prescribed antibiotics which made no difference, so in consultation with a neuro specialist he was prescribed an additional anti-biotic, again no help.

    Meanwhile we were watching our poor boy staggering around, unable to stand properly to go to the toilet and generally looking more and more confused. He also had a load of blood taken to check for anything that may show up - these all came back normal or no infection. He was also treated for lungworm in case he was infected and there had been a small bleed.

    After nearly two weeks of this we were finally able to see the neurologist who said that he may have vestibular syndrome. He then had an MRI which showed no infection, inflammation, brain damage etc and also a CSF Tap which has also shown no problems. As a result he has been put on steroids to see if they help his recovery, nearly two weeks of taking these and there would appear to be no marked improvement in his condition apart from an initial minor one. We are back to the Vets at the end of the week.

    If he is chasing something or very focussed he can move in a straight line otherwise he finds it very very difficult to stand up let alone move without having a wall to lean on - bit like he has had way too much to drink.

    So I am wondering if anyone has had this in a very young dog and has any suggestion that may help, I am going cross eyed with trawling the web.

    Things against it being vestibular

    He is very young
    He has not had the nystagmus (flicking eyes) as far as we are aware
    It was gradual rather than sudden onset
    Not actually falling over but near it
    He is eating and drinking just fine and was before the steroids
    He is not, apparently, improving after nearly 4 weeks

    Things for it being vestibular

    Head Tilt
    Lurching to the left
    Staggering

    I have given him anti-sea sickness tablets, not sure if these help - anyone else tried them

    Would Vivitonin help?


    Also there is a very vague reference to the Glucosamine/MSM supplement being something that may cause some problems (in Humans with inner ear problems), he's been on it since he was diagnosed with bad hips - now stopped to see if things improve. Anyone else found this?

    All help appreciated as this is so distressing to watch and not knowing if he will improve and there apparently being nothing wrong according to all the tests he's had.

    If anyone has any suggestions or ideas please .....

    To describe it it is almost like he is sea sick or has a vertigo type thing and it is definitely worse if he has been lying down and then stands up where he has to walk with the support of any furniture or wall that is available and he is better on level ground
     
  2. sullivan

    sullivan PetForums VIP

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    My brothers American bully is also alful he has not coordination he stumbles , walks into things , He even scrapes his feet when he walks some times due to the fact its like he cant feel his feet are in the correct position, He is fine if hes concentrating on a object or hes chasing a ball he just does it its when hes trying to do things. The vets said he feels its neurological its not got any worse and hes still very happy sole hes now around the year. There keeping a close eye on him and hes not allowed upstairs due to the risk of falling at nearlly 8 stone the damage that could be caused is un thinkable. Hes done well as he does as hes told loves everyone and every dog hes met so things are being left to see how things go.
     
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    sullivan PetForums VIP

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    Hoping your able to find some thing that may help your dog a bit. Is your dog still happy with the condition or is it affecting him badly.
     
  4. reddogs

    reddogs PetForums Senior

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    Is he happy?

    I'd say yes most of the time but he does look confused as to why he can't stand up properly.

    The neurologist did check that he could find his feet and knew where they were etc and that was all OK, it's just the ground that won't stay in the right place for him!


    I would be interested if your brother's vet has an answer, to be honest I am looking for anything that may explain things
     
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    My brothers dog didnt react to having his feet pricked so im amazed hes able to stay upright. He does fall when hes trying to turn around some times , but generally he stumbles more. Hes happy enough and loves the family. It just worries my brother that it doesnt get worse as hes only young. Hes always looked a bit bandy when they first got him and he use to stumble then i told them to take him to the vets as at first we thought it was his legs due to the bully in him . Thought it was the cause of his clumsyness. Hes on here under Morris in the members lsit if you want a look at him. He looks totally fine.
     
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