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Is Mukhatar Correct In His Thinking?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Zaros, Jul 3, 2017.


  1. Zaros

    Zaros Pet Forums, P/resident Evil

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  2. MrsZee

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    I believe this question is something we all should think how we would describe it. It is so easy to ignore one´s personal prejudices and stereotyping, that sometimes only a concrete example reveals to us how prejudiced we actually are. I admit that first I would have classified this as a hate crime, but had it been the other way around, I might have accepted the word "terrorism" . Still, I totally agree that this horrendous attack would have been headline news had the victim been white.
     
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    I don't think I'd class this as terrorism whichever way round it was. It seems too personal.

    But the choice of 'weapon' feels like it was deliberate considering the prevalence of acid attacks in south Asian countries where patriarchal societies exist.

    So maybe he was going for terrorism.
     
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    I've never known a terror attack to be as person-specific as this. I think the police have labelled it correctly - it's hate crime, not a terror attack. And that would be my opinion whatever the race/nationality/religious differences between victim and attacker.

    Or does he suggest that we redefine as terror attacks, any and all violent attacks inflicted on people of different backgrounds to the attacker? Regardless of whether it was a 1-on-1 attack, or 1 on 100s or 1000s?

    It is, however, worth pointing out that these 2 victims aren't the only ones to suffer from this sort of horrific attack:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/30/man-jailed-for-hate-attack-on-muslim-women-in-london

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...sian-residents-race-hate-crimes-a7821701.html

    The attack in Finsbury Park, OTOH, was a terror attack. IMHO.
     
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    MilleD PetForums VIP

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    I've read that the acid attacks which are on the rise in London differ to most other parts of the world in that more men are targeted than women. It seems that the gang warfare going on there has picked up on this lovely thing to do to each other.
     
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    Yes, I read similar. Apparently super easy to make, so gangs are now arming themselves with squeezy bottles :(
     
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    See, that would be quite a funny image if it wasn't so serious.
     
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    Do you think they have a squeezy bottle ranking? Fairy would totes be top
     
  9. MilleD

    MilleD PetForums VIP

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    Hmm, maybe not the new shape. But we all know that this was the mother.

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    You know i wondered how they where using acid to attack someone, it just came to me that its not exactly an attacker friendly weapon and why anyone would decide to use it over another weapon.
     
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    I suspect it's something to do with it being incapacitating but unlikely fatal. I guess if someone goes to do a robbery armed with a knife and someone resists, they have to be prepared to use that knife and accept the consequences which may be a murder charge.

    This way, they get what they went for but the upshot is less likely to be a murder charge if things go south.
     
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    True, you get maximum squeazage from the round bottles that fit perfectly in your hand
     
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    Ok, desperately trying to dredge up what I picked up from dating a criminal lawyer 10 years ago. I think that if you go armed with a knife and anything happens, then a good lawyer can get you done for GBH with intent, which, I think, is basically the same as attempted murder.

    I could be way off the mark there though
     
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    Just seems odd, i mean a knife you can carry for self defense with no real intent to use (you shouldn't of course) but a bottle of acid surely means you intend to harm someone and should be a greater sentence, i mean its premeditated.
     
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    At the risk of sounding odd... I don't like outright discussions of how to actually use or make these types of weapons. You never know who might stumble across the onto and use it (although I know there's loads out there, this forum could introduce ideas to someone who might not think to search for it).

    <paranoid>
     
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