After reading some of the threads and seeing some of the replies, I just wanted to pose the question, and hopefully get a debate (no mud wrestling please) with a few different sides of the argument. For me, I see three different types of breeder, although obviously there will always be a bit of grey area inbetween them. There's someone like myself, who will never make a penny out of breeding and doesn't hope to; that bit just doesn't factor into it. The only concern I have about money and breeding is that I will always have enough put by to ensure the health of my dogs. Then there's the other end of the scale where you get people who obviously treat their dogs as cash 'cows', some do it with a degree of responsibility, using health tested dogs, and even keeping their dogs well, whereas others unfortunately don't; the commercial breeders or puppy farmers. But there's a huge grey area inbetween, pretty much the pet or hobby breeders that sometimes get lumped in with the term 'back yard breeder'. They breed a few litters a year out of their dogs, some of them pedigree, some not, and even some of the fashionable cross breeds. Their dogs are usually loved as pets, and just earn their keep. I can't bring myself to condemn this type of breeder, even if I may not agree with it, as long as the dogs are well kept. There will be people I'm sure who will vehemently disagree with it, but I prefer to live with the freedom of choice. Anyone elses thoughts?