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Is it acceptable to breed for money?

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Sleeping_Lion, Jul 12, 2009.


  1. Sleeping_Lion

    Sleeping_Lion Banned

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    After reading some of the threads and seeing some of the replies, I just wanted to pose the question, and hopefully get a debate (no mud wrestling please) with a few different sides of the argument.

    For me, I see three different types of breeder, although obviously there will always be a bit of grey area inbetween them.

    There's someone like myself, who will never make a penny out of breeding and doesn't hope to; that bit just doesn't factor into it. The only concern I have about money and breeding is that I will always have enough put by to ensure the health of my dogs.

    Then there's the other end of the scale where you get people who obviously treat their dogs as cash 'cows', some do it with a degree of responsibility, using health tested dogs, and even keeping their dogs well, whereas others unfortunately don't; the commercial breeders or puppy farmers.

    But there's a huge grey area inbetween, pretty much the pet or hobby breeders that sometimes get lumped in with the term 'back yard breeder'. They breed a few litters a year out of their dogs, some of them pedigree, some not, and even some of the fashionable cross breeds. Their dogs are usually loved as pets, and just earn their keep. I can't bring myself to condemn this type of breeder, even if I may not agree with it, as long as the dogs are well kept.

    There will be people I'm sure who will vehemently disagree with it, but I prefer to live with the freedom of choice.

    Anyone elses thoughts?
     
  2. sallyanne

    sallyanne Guest

    A breeder may make some money from breeding,in my eyes that is acceptable but breeding FOR money should not be the sole purpose of why the litter was bred.

    In my opinion breeding should be done to improve the breed,only the best health tested dogs should be bred from.
    I don't necessarily agree with just show dogs as some dogs are extremely well bred,solid both in body and mind yet detest the show ring but I think these dogs should be accessed by a breed specialist before been bred from.

    As for your BYB I have no time for them whatsoever,they damage breeds,their sole purpose for breeding is cash motivated.They cut every possible corner there is to make a bit more money.They don't care where their pups end up,will not take any reponsibilty for them once they have left their care,hence the current rescue crisis.
     
  3. haeveymolly

    haeveymolly PetForums VIP

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    In my mind i dont think there is anything wrong with making some money from breeding, i am totaly against puppy farming have done a lot of demonstrating against it, but as long as the welfare of the dogs and pups concerned comes before money then i cant see anything wrong with it.
     
  4. reddogs

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    Breeding for improvement is a good thing and there will be people who have what some people consider a lot of litters but do all the right things and make an amount of money, after all they aren't having to buy all the things you need all the time but they are not breeding just for money, nor are making vast quantities of it.

    Breeding on a very occasional basis when you want a puppy, you won't make money but hopefully have taken all the care that is required regarding the mating and working to improve the breed you own at the same time.

    I am of the opinion that you should have buyers lined up for some if not all of the expected litter(s) that you are having before considering breeding.

    Breeding just because you can and know that you will eventually sell your puppies without having spent any time or money on ensuring health and improvement of the breed and therefore having what is in effect a money making business is not right.
     
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  5. mypets

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    I have no idea why you would do this thread!!!:mad:

    Alot of people have different views of this and YES they can share their opinions BUT it always ends up in an arguement, (like the other thread)...

    so why start it in the first place...and what a stupid question!!

    people come on here for advice and help...but people from this forum take it further because the other person goes beyond what they think, and it isnt fair..YES sometimes you think it is wrong but leave it, just dont reply to them...

    The thread about "2 girls due in 5 days" is getting so silly...what iv just seen about selling them for money has nothing to do with anyone else..
    EVERYONE sales their pups/kitts for money of course they do...BUT if it was turned round the other way you wouldnt like it..

    Alot of people do get upset on here and its wrong..I admit i will argue things if it seriously is wrong...but to argue the fact that she is crossing her dogs is so sad...At the end of the day its her choice..No one argues the fact that cats cross breed! its exactly the same...:cursing::cursing::cursing:
     
  6. crazycrest

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    In a word.................NO!!!!!
     
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  7. noushka05

    noushka05 Unicorn denier. Snowflake. Activist ;)

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    & its a 'NO' from me too!!!!!!!!
     
  8. DKDREAM

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    i dont understand this thread and feel its been put on because of another thread. quite sad really. this is an animal loving forum so i dont think anyone would do such a thing.
     
  9. DevilDogz

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    Agree its a NO from me too!!! Simple answer!!
     
  10. Nicky09

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    Not as the sole reason no. If they breed to improve the breed, health test do all the research etc and make some money as well then yes. Just for money with no consideration for the puppies no. Then again apparently you don't make much money if you do it responsibly.
     
  11. clueless

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    The OP Did state a debate and no mud slinging and you are the one who is doing it!!!!!

    A simple answer to this thread would be yes or no. My answer is NO
     
  12. noushka05

    noushka05 Unicorn denier. Snowflake. Activist ;)

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    unfortunatly loads do, they dont pay out for health screening, dont keep puppys ,their sole reason is to profit from them:( i really dislike it when people exploit animals this way. Theres no wonder rescues are full to bursting.
     
  13. Sleeping_Lion

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    Ok, I can honestly say and hold my hands up, I'm not sure which thread has provoked such a response from a couple of people :confused:

    The one I was referring to having read was a reply on a thread posted by someone looking for advice about a chihuahua/crested cross, I haven't read any other threads in breeding (or much of anywhere really) as I haven't had time over the last couple of days, I certainly wasn't picking on any one individual on this forum, and thought I'd made that very clear in my opening sentence??

    For those who have responded with a firm No, can I ask why? Sensible answers please as Im genuinely interested why. There are some breeders who believe that this kind of breeding, and I'm talking about those who breed health checked and 'responsibly', although they are pet breeders and have no interest in showing or working, that this provides a useful genetic 'back water', as it were, for the breed. Even in a breed as numerous as the Labrador you get a lot of pedigrees where the same dogs crop up time and time again, simply because they are the most popular (Kupros Master Mariner springs to mind). With everyone so intent on breeding out health defects it might be that we come to rely on having the extra 'breeding stock' out there, particularly with some of the breeds with very few numbers??

    And can I just re-iterate, this is not a personal dig at any thread that others have posted. Thank you.
     
  14. mypets

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    no im not... we all no hows it gonna end up, someone says "yes" then they all gang up....so whats the point of this thread..
     
  15. clueless

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    Well that seems to be your opinion and you are entitled to it
     
  16. mypets

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    yes very true!!!!
     
  17. clueless

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    Exactly and others are also entitled to theirs. Have a Nice Day I am off to get ready for work.
     
  18. sallyanne

    sallyanne Guest

    Ask the OP,I think that's been made clear,so do you have anything constructive to add or are you happy to instigate or look for an argument ? ;)
     
  19. noushka05

    noushka05 Unicorn denier. Snowflake. Activist ;)

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    i doubt very much i'll ever breed again but if i did i would only ever do it for myself to keep a puppy/puppies for showing, i personally would never use a dog from a pet home who hadnt proved his quality in the ring on one of my bitches as i would always aim to improve on the dogs i have. Im pretty sure in my breed we wont improve the breed by using these 'pet breeders' dogs.

    as i have said many times i dont believe in exploiting animals for money.
     
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  20. Missymoo

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    I think as long as the animals are well looked after why not get something back in return?? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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