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Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Beagle Mafia, Aug 17, 2009.
Very difficult if not impossible to sort out over the internet. I'd suggest you get a behaviourist in who can see first hand EXACTLY what is going on and what body language each dog is displaying when they're together.
TBH many very experienced trainers wouldn't think of having two dogs so young together. Most will leave at least 18 months between, so you don't have what is basically two puppies together. You should be making sure that for each 5 minutes they spend together, they spend at least 15 minutes with you alone for training, playing and bonding.
Fighting over high-value objects/food is normal - try to make sure that they don't have those sorts of things lying around. If you want to give them both a bone or chewie, give one each and separate them, or else you're asking for trouble. Giving one each MAY help but more likely one will want both. Bear in mind that vets/vet nurses don't necessarily have much of a clue about training/behaviour unless they've studied the subject separately.
How much time do you spend with each dog individually?
How much physical exercise do they get?
How much mental stimulation/training do you give them?
Hi there, i have 2 toy poodles Kai my boy i got 1st then 2 weeks later i got my girl mia. Mia is 2 months older than kai and is so laid back its unreal,whereas kai is always on the go.After a few days of getting mia she started showing kai she was boss and still does,almost 18 months on.And yes they do have their fights and sometimes it "looks" like its getting pretty nasty,but i have always let them get on with it and no harm has come of it.I might add if one is not around the other hates it.I hope this helps put your mind at rest.
At the moment we spend about 2 hours a day with each dog seperately (hubby and I swap with each dog) and about 3 hours with them both playing and training about 3 hours are spent sleeping and about 2 hours with them playing withe each other. On accassions where one has bitten myself or hubby or has completely crossed the line we put them in time out and we use this opportunity to bond with the other dog together with training or fetch.
Both get 2 hours exercise a day on walks and a further 1-2 hours playing fetch, football.
In total each get between 3-5 hours (split between the day) training and stimulation.
On walks they are fine we don't let them off as are still teaching recall but on lead Bella walks brilliantly not pulling on the lead however Buster has and probably always will pull on the lead.
I have to agree with colliepoodle, having these two young dogs together is making a rod for your own back, you would have done better to wait till one was 18months or so and trained before getting another. But now the deed is done and you have to deal with it!
I think crate training with separate crates would be the way ahead with these two. They could have treats or chews in in their own crate without fighting over them. When one is tired, it can sleep in its crate and you can shut the door to make sure the other leaves it alone. You could then play with or train the pup that's awake. This should give you more one-to-one bonding and training time with both of them.
Rough play is normal, but monitor the situation. It's unlikely such young dogs are out to seriously harm each other.
Thankyou so much lol
It does put my mind at rest a little i think teh way I have been seeingit is through human eyes. One minute Buster is perfectly happy in a house where he has maybe got away with too much. jumping on the sfoa when he wants a cuddle and howling when we walk upstairs. This has improved so much he is far more independent now but loking at it like a human I see it like a female comes in steals his toys, bed, treats and personal space and we give her attention as well as him so he's just jealous. We decided it was for the best as Beagles are a sociable breed and the problems we were having with Buster would be better with another and although this has solved those issues its added another issue.
hello busters mum!! so you finally got a friend for buster how lovely! have you got some pictures!? x
I think IMO ur mistaken in ur assumption that he is more independent now (if i understood ur correctly lol)....
...he most likly will become dependent on the new addition and the problems will still exist when he will be on him own. Getting another dog to sort out a dogs seperation anxiety is only covering up the issue and not solving it!
I would strongly advise u take them seperate on walks, let them be on their own in a room or in the house so they learn to be on their own etc
Play fighting etc sounds often alot worse than it is but if they draw blood i would seek professional advice....
Stealing the other dogs chews and toys is normal behaviour, mine did that all the time.... they still do lol
I wish u good luck with ur pups, hope u can get it sorted!
We had entered into getting another puppy with a lot of advice and we took our time chosing. We maybe a little naievely thought that things would be fine and maybe they were but we were unwilling to be splitting up fights every 10 minutes.
Buster loved having Bella around but Bella just didn't want him around. After reading the comments here yesterday we had to make the difficult decision to rehome Bella. We gathered that after 3 days it was better to find a home for Bella than wait 3 months then realise that we cannot manage 2 dogs making the process 10x harder for Bella.
We have also decided that we will have a one dog household. Buster has been very poorly the last few days so having Bella didn't help the situation. We had a phone call this morning from Bellas new owners she is doing really well and is very happy. We got Bella at an older age and assume that she had not be socialised around other dogs or noises as she was very fearful we feel that we have made the right decision and will enjoy Busters company more than 2,3 or even 9 dogs! Buster is our main priority and when he ended up with cuts on two legs and nose I had to do what I felt was best for him.
Unfortunately this quote
meant to me that dealing with it is all very well but I didn't want to deal with two unhappy pups I would much rather Bella had a good home and was happy and now she is.
Ah thats really sad, I hope Buster is much better soon and am glad Bella's happy in her new home.
Thats a really brave decision you made x
When I said the deed is done and you have to deal with it, I did not want to imply that keeping Bella was the only option, but suggesting to someone that they rehome their dog after 3 days would not likely go down too well! I think you've made a brave decision, and probably the right one. You have dealt with it in everyone's best interests.
From what you have said, it would appear that they are trying to sort out the hierachy... alpha and beta roles.
You and your family should be alpha not the dogs and when I say your family, I mean the whole family... kids too.
Watch them closely and look out for the signs that they are about to start something and stop it before anything starts.
When you brought the little girl into the house, how did you do it ? Did you hold her on your lap and allow the older pup to sniff her from down lower than her ? I only ask because I learnt the hard way that this is not a good thing to do :blushing:
Aww, its such a shame it didnt work out for you.
I had a similar situation with my whippet puppy, he was just too big and boisterous for my little toy dogs. After 3months of trying I made the decision to rehome and he is soooo much happier in his new home.
Im sure both your dogs will be much happier too, some just like to be only dogs no matter what you do.
Ok difficult over the internet without watching them and seeing them they are both very young dogs, (Dominance) over used word if there is a problem with bones and chews take them away or be in the room while they have them, i would not seperate the dogs like this as seperation anxiety may accour one of the dogs will be tring for the higher ranking you have to let them sort this out if a fight breaks out you move both dogs away as you are the pack leader and they must listen to you.
As for walking i always recomend they have so time apart and i walk my dogs seperate at least onces a day so they can learn to be apart from each other you never no whats round the corner and one dog may need an overnight stay at the vets, watch the dogs and ask your self are they playing or is it aggression look at there bodys is there tail upright these are all signs to look for my dogs play fight and it dose look quite mean sometimes but when they go to far i stop it and give them time out dogs should be dogs and should play but when going to far should be stoped. My little boy is the softest thing ever but if i allow him to play to rough there are possabilitys he may play rough with a dog in the park and i dont want to see him pulling a dog around by there jowls good luck