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Discussion in 'Cat Breeding' started by we love bsh's, Aug 23, 2013.


  1. we love bsh's

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    Well ... Even I know that's wrong ... And am rubbish

    I wonder if mum is only showing small amounts of tortie as isnt tabby dominate over tortie


    The reason I say this as one of my tortie tabs kits is more tabby than tortie , she only has a slight pink paw edge and small amounts of tortie ... But to look at her if you didnt know her background you would say she is a full tabs

    Is this right are am I barking up the wrong tree...
     
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    I guess some dont have alot of tortie,there was one at the show last year was/should have been a choc tortie point but looked choc point but genetically it had to be a tortie,so must have had a red hair somewhere.
     
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    Maybe a quick nice email just asking if they have pics of mum and dad - cos those kittens didn't come out of a blue and a blue tabby.
     
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    Also look at rubes .... You would just say tabby ...

    So in this case I would say that they don't know anything about genetics ..

    Well it's a defo mixed colour pmsl ..... I may use that in one of my ads lol
     
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    tortie is coat COLOUR and tabby is a coat PATTERN - neither is dominant to the other, it's random how much red/ cream a cat will have, and on a tortie tabby that tabby will be all over, on a tortie only red/cream will show tabby.
     
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    Dominate was probably the wrong word .. Prominent or less prominent ...


    Probably totally off subject. Can two agouti colourpoints have non agouti offspring

    Also would a tortie girl always have tortie girls in her litter ... Or is this only if bred to red/cream males

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    Yes to number one
    and no to number two

    Agouti can carry non agouti and unless you test you won't know for sure - so two agouti carrying non agouti can produce non agouti.

    A tortie girl may have tortie girls in her litter, even with a red/cream dad she may only produce red/ cream if the gene fairy mucks about, or she may produce torties too. No certains (in this case) from a tortie girl.
     
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    Thanks spid ... I can remember us taking about the agouti genes but could not find the thread ...,

    Always been a bit unsure about Torties... So thanks for clearing that up in my head
     
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    your only what a year in,you will get in in time and you will always be learning something new,me too and thats 3 years in.:)
     
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    Think of it this way -

    a tortie girl has two colours she can give to her kittens - black or red (ignore the dilute stuff that's an add on).

    so kittens from a tortie will either be given the red gene or the black gene.

    So if dad isn't red (effectively black)

    then girl kittens will either - get a red gene from mum and a black gene from dad (and be tortie) OR a black gene from them both (and be black).

    If Dad is red

    then girl kittens with either get a red gene from mum and a red gene from dad (and so be red) OR a black gene from mum and a red gene from dad (and be tortie)

    When thinking about genetics - keep it simple to begin with and take it back to basics for things like this. Later on you can think about dilutes etc.
     
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    Cosmil print stuff like the above off and stick it on a fridge or something and re read it if you walk past it and the penny will drop :)
     
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    It so much easier when people put it in simple terms

    Am ok with the colours and dilutes ... It's tabby and tortie mess with my head

    I have tortie tabby girls and a tabby boy..

    I was really surprise with Rosie's litter ... One tortie 3 tortie tabby and a tabby ... Tabby is so strong ... Am not disappointed I just didnt expect it in 4 of them
     
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    and thats the gene fairy for you :)
     
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    It's not that the tabby is strong, it's that it is dominant - and are you sure both mum and dad carry non agouti?

    Even if one parent is non agouti or carries non agouti - if the other is homozygous for agouti (two gens) then all the kittens will be tabby. Even with two tabby cats both carrying non agouti 75% of the kittens will be tabby, one self and one tabby carrying non agouti and 50% will still be tabby.

    Is the boy the cream? ANd in that case are you sure he is tabby? given that red and cream show tabby even when a self? What colour is his nose?

    And of course the gene fairy likes to muck things up - the chances of me getting all dilutes/ recessive genes in this litter were tiny - but it happened.
     
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    may be mis reading here but both parents are dilute.Yes it was the dad who was cream.:)
     
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    Yep misreading - that was for MY litter.
     
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    Ah i see ill shut up then :D
     
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    Bloody good idea that mrs
     
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    Mum blue tortie tabby colourpoint ... Dad cream self

    All kittens are female ....

    The cream kit is defo classic tabby ..
     

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