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I need help by you guys to see if a lab is purebreed.

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by Colps47, Dec 8, 2017.


  1. Colps47

    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    First of all; Hi guys!

    So in like 20 days I am supposed to buy a pure bred labrador puppy(according to the seller he is purebred).
    I want to ask you guys to please have a look at the photos because in my oppionion I don't think the labs this guy is selling are pure bred.
    I'm going to provide you guys with photos and I would like to have a since oppion from you guys because the cost of the dog won't be cheap and it's not like I don't like not pure bred races but when money are on stake I wouldn't like to throw them away when I could just adopt one that is not pure bred and not use money to buy it. In one of the photos, you have the possible parents. Please give me your honest opinion. Thanks in advanceeeeeeee! lab3.png lab5.png lab4.png lab6.png lab1.png lab2.png
     
  2. kittih

    kittih PetForums VIP

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    Hi and welcome. Can you clarify which is the pup you want to know about and what the relationship of all the other adults and pups shown in your pictures are. I am a little confused.

    Can you also mention in which country you are buying the pup because breed standards can vary a little and are the parents working line, show line or not sure or a mix.
     
  3. Colps47

    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi Kittih, all of the pups that you see in the pics are the previous ones that the seller has probably already sold. The seller's labra will bring her pups to life in like 20 days. I live in Albania, and the seller is albanian too.
     
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    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    And also, the father and mother doggos are the dogs shown in the third photo chained near their houses. The father is the white/cream one and the mother is the black one.
     
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    Jamesgoeswalkies PetForums VIP

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    The only way to be completely sure that any dogs is pure bred is to have registration papers ... usually five generation. If this is not an option or you are not sure of the papers being offered then it is always a bit of a gamble. If you don't like/trust the breeder then don't buy.

    Do those guys in the photos look like Labradors though. Well, in my opinion they do. The Yellow Lab (chained) that you say is the dad, has a good Lab head ...bit thin on the body and lacking muscle tone but I would say Labrador. And the black one in the photos with the black and yellow litter has a lovely Lab expression. And those pups look like little Labs to me (in fact i have some identical photos of mine when young). But whether they are pure bred over many generations (or interbred) only a five generation pedigree will tell you .....

    J
     
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    They look like labs to me but as James says only registration papers and pedigree will tell you for sure (always supposing they belong to the right dog)

    What makes you think they might not be pure and why are you considering buying from a breeder you do not trust or believe.
     
  7. Colps47

    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks a lot for the info guys. I'll ask the seller the pedigree documentation so I can see if the dog is purebred or not.
     
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    kittih PetForums VIP

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    What was making you believe these pups were not pure bred ?
     
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    dorrit PetForums VIP

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    I've no idea if the dogs are purebred only the documents will prove that one way or the other but...I would not want to buy any animal from a person who thinks its ok to keep them chained up outside living in plastic wrapped pens.,.

    Maybe things are different where you come from but here that would be considered a big red flag...
     
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    Totally! :(
     
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    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    The reason because there is another seller which is way more away from my city than this seller is that told me that the dog is offered with pedegrees, vaxins, etc. While this one when I asked him about any documentation or warrant, he told me that if a puppy dies I can just offer you another one and that's it which grev alot of speculations for me...
     
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    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    So yes, it made me wonder too. There were people asking him why did he chain them up. And just for curiosity, why would it mean red flat to you? Regarding what? Because I really have a low percentage of buying my labra from him..
     
  13. kittih

    kittih PetForums VIP

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    In the UK the signs of a good breeder are generally that the puppies parents have had all the required health tests including hip and elbow dysplasia and an eye screen.

    https://www.thelabradorsite.com/health-screening-for-labrador-diseases/

    The adults and puppies are house in comfortable clean conditions either within the home or in purpose built kennels and the pups and bitch receive regular worming and adequate and correct food and nutrition. The parents would be KC registered and their pedigrees available for checking. The breeder would be very knowledgeable about his dogs lineage and very interested to find out whether you would be a suitable owner asking you probably more questions than you ask them. They would also be willing to take the dog back at any time or if not able to for some reason be there to help locate another home and to provide general support.

    I don't know how things work in Albania but in the UK the above would generally indicate a good breeder.

    I think the worry with the dogs you have shown is that their housing isn't great so there would be a concern about how the puppies would be raised and what socialising and experiences they would receive to make them happy healthy family dogs.

    In the UK good breeders also ensure that their pups learn about living in a home and all the things they might encounter so that they will grow to be friendly confident dogs.

    They often follow the puppy plan:

    http://www.thepuppyplan.com

    Obviously things might be quite different in your country so we can only advise about what is the best thing here in the UK.

    I think if you have concerns it is always best to walk away. Dogs live for 12 - 16 years so it's a long time to live with a dog you are not happy with.
     
  14. ouesi

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    I agree with the concerns already posted and to them I would add that if you're buying this dog as a family/house pet, I would be concerned about the environment.
    Multiple dogs chained with minimal shelter does not bode well for the puppies being raised in a home environment.
    Dogs raised this way can often have behavioral and resilience issues.
     
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    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    So, I want to buy a lab puppy to raise him in my house and not in my yard or anything like that. I will ask the seller for pedigree documents. If he doesn't have any, I will just walk away and leave. Tomorrow I guess I'll go and ask other sellers that have propper shops for animals and ask them about any documentation they provide for the labs that they sell. Thanks a lot for the whole information you provided.
     
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    Red flag ??... A red flag is any indicator that would give a clue that the breeder is not what they seem or not to be trusted.
    Keeping dogs outside chained up does not show them to be household pets. I see more than two pens , so I would be thinking puppy mill??? possibly
    I would be asking how my puppy is going to be raised in that first 8-10 weeks , will it be socialized at all? will it be well cared for? Will it have behavioral issues after this kind of treatment? .
    .Another red flag is any breeder claiming to have purebred dogs but then refusing or being unwilling to show the paperwork for the dogs... Most breeders are proud to show off their dogs papers..

    Purebred or not just looking at that set up with the plastic wrapped pens would have me running a mile...
     
  17. DaisyBluebell

    DaisyBluebell Earth, the insane asylum of the Universe

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    Exactly - plus the little puppies in the wooden pen do not even have vet bed to lay on or paper in there for when they pee or poo - not nice!
    That defo looks like puppy farming in my book. Any papers you may get from them would probably not have anything to do with the animal parents your given. Plus if its Labs you need paperwork of the parents regarding hip scoring for problems - walk away or your just encouraging more puppy farming !
     
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    lorilu PetForums VIP

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    They all look not very healthy to me. And those pens? Chained dogs? <shudder> I'd walk away.
     
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  20. Colps47

    Colps47 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi Whiteshadow. So I went and had all the info that I somehow needed by a shop. They told me that they buy different races from Serbia (which is known for excellent kennels) They told me that the dog comes with a book (don't know how to name it in english as the word isn't coming out of my mind) that gives the name, name of the father/mother, date of birth. The vaxins made to him. For any further update I'll write here, as you are telling me to buy in a well known kennel which to be honest in Albania still doesn't exist. And if for example I would have bought the dog from outside my country, for ex. Italy, the puppy would have minimally cost 1000$ and I am not able to afford that kind of price.
     
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