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I can't reply to my original post about the ovcharka (caucasian shepherd?)

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Vambo, Sep 2, 2018.


  1. Vambo

    Vambo PetForums Junior

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    I don't seem to be able to reply to my original post about the dog which bit me and police inaction. I was just looking for some views from other dog owners, because I also think it is astounding that the police have not taken any action. The reason I had to go to A&E was because the first paramedic that came said I should have a tetanus jab as soon as possible and it was late at night so no doctors surgeries open. They don't do stitches in dog attacks unless they absolutely have to, because they could be sealing inside an infection. The reason they sent an ambulance for me was because I was in too much of a state to be able to drive, and the A&E is about 30 minutes drive away. I did bleed really badly from the bite on my arm, my clothes were soaked in it.
     
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    The dog was a caucasian shepherd or ovcharka. I thought that "ovcharka" was just the Russian word for "shepherd"?
     
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    How do you know this?
    And why is the breed relevant?
    The dog was behaving dangerously, that's against the law, breed doesn't matter does it?
     
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    I am replying with the breed of dog because on my other thread, somebody asked me.
     
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    I know it is this breed because I looked it up. What is your point exactly?
     
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    You mentioned the breed in the first post about it.
    My point is that it doesn't matter if it was an ovcharka or a otterhound. Dangerously out of control is dangerously out of control.

    It's unusual for Joe Public to correctly identify dog breeds, even more so with rarer breeds, that's why I asked how you knew the dog was an Ovcharka (which is a generic term for shepherd dog). There are some large furry mutts out there of completely unknown origin that could be mistaken for a number of livestock guardian breeds.
     
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    I know it is a caucasian shepherd because the owners told me this was the breed when I first saw it at the park.
     
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    I mentioned the breed because it is so big and strong, and untrained, a very dangerous combination, and yet the police have not even ordered it to be muzzled.
     
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    I looked up the breed also to be sure it was the same dog. I don't know the owners' family well enough to be sure at first that it was the same dog because it was being walked by a girl when it attacked me, but the first time I ever saw it, a young boy was with it. I now know they are brother and sister.
     
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    Okay. Got it. It's a caucasian shepherd (of which there are several types, but okay).
    It still doesn't matter. A dangerous dog is a dangerous dog regardless of breed.

    I'm still quite shocked that the police did nothing given that you were injured.
     
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    I do think there is something very odd about the police attitude.
     
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    It went as far as the Crown Prosecution Service, but they wouldn't do anything because they thought they would not get a prosecution because of the Robinson-Pierre defence - a man was acquitted on appeal when police officers broke into his house and were bitten by his dogs - because he did not tell them to attack, as he was asleep, it was not his fault, it was ruled. But this can't really apply to a dog running free at a public park, surely? Also the dangerous dog officer did not think he would be able to secure a destruction order without a prosecution, so he advised not to try.
     
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    The breed of dog is relevant because they are so big and strong they can't be held off by one person, this is why I was bitten twice. Only when my son helped to grab the dog's collar was it possible for him and the person walking it to hold it back long enough to get the lead back on it.
     
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    Given your description it would be worth getting in touch with both the dog warden and Trevor Cooper at www.doglaw.co.uk

    He specialises in cases involving the dangerous dog act. Did you receive a crime reference number ? If not contact the police and request it. We're photographs of your injuries taken prior to treatment. It would be a good idea to get copies of these plus your medical notes.

    Once you have spoken to Trevor it would be a good idea to follow up the status of the case with the police. I know you have said they didn't do anything but they might have and have just not yet informed you about it. When did this incident happen ? Did they take a statement from you ?
     
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    I don't think that dogs which were bred to live in the mountains and protect sheep from wolves and bears, should really be kept in a kennel behind a house in a housing estate. They can apparently run for ten miles without getting tired. So it never gets enough exercise. It has no training at all, it does not even know "sit" and has no recall either.
     
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    Yes, they took a statement from me, from the suspect, and from my son, who was a witness. It was the crown prosecution service who stopped the process.
     
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    The dog warden told me that they only deal with attacks on dogs by dogs, that the police deal with dog on human attacks.
     
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    Yes, I took photographs of the injuries. I don't have the medical records but I could get them.
     
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    If CPS decided not to continue with the prosecution they should have given you a reason why. Speaking to Trevor Cooper may still be a good idea as he would be able to provide legal advice and know whether anything further can be done.
     
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    It happened on 26th May. I was told the CPS would take 3 months to make a decision. It came back in just 8 working days. A special case??????
     
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