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Housetraining your pup or older dog

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by CarolineH, Dec 7, 2009.


  1. Flo's Dad

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    The crate in the kitchen, they usually go to bed about 9.30pm. Up at 6am. Back in if we need to go out, we can't trust them in a room on their own.
     
  2. Flo's Dad

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    Butter wouldn't melt. Nightmare. 1517396432416843097072.jpg
     
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  3. Cookie’s Mum

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    Thank you for responding. The crate we have Is a similar size to yours so I don’t think it’s too big for her now but it may have been when we first brought her home though. My older dog won’t be using it as he gets too hot when cookie curls up with him. I will certainly try putting the blankets on the top as it does make it look more appealing. Have your dogs always been happy to be shut in the crate? Cookie really didn’t like it even though she had slept in a crate with her litter and mother overnight. I even put a soft toy in with her.

    I do limit the area she uses during the day and we have a pet gate on the stairs but she still occasionally manages to toilet behind my back so to speak. She is a lovely affectionate dog but this issue is spoiling our enjoyment of her. That and the chewing ( she got to my post this morning while I was upstairs) but thats another story.

    We can only keep trying.
     
  4. Flo's Dad

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    The one has always been happy on the crate and you can often find her in there during the day, the other we always have to pick up and put in, but she quickly settles down. The blanket stops them seeing what's going on.

    The best advise I had was not to humanise your dog. They do not think and they do not reason, but after course, we do. You can't treat them the same.

    What we and our dogs do, is routine.

    Here in lies your problem.

    It is not important to your dog whether she toilets inside or outside, it's important to you but not her and she'll never understand that.
    But she will understand routine. That's the root behind constantly taking them outside, it creates routine. In time she will wee more outside than inside because of the routine. She will slowly prefer to wee outside because that's the routine, just as ours get anxious at exactly the same time when we take them out, that's routine.

    Keep at it, and create routine.
     
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  5. Cookie’s Mum

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    Yes good point. I need to think more ‘dog’. We were lulled into a false sense of security by our older dog who was easy to house train. I have noticed that she’s worse at weekends when everyone is home all day so I will have to make sure the routine is kept up.
     
  6. Natalie Smith

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    Help needed.

    What's the best way to teach our puppy to ask to go toilet outside?

    Our puppy doesn't have many accidents as we take her out alot and she likes to go outside but she doesn't ever ask to go.
     
  7. JoanneF

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    A crate is helpful as a tool to assist with toilet training but it is just that - a tool, not a substitute for training. If you leave a puppy in a crate until it has no choice but to toilet, it will have to do it because puppies have very small bladders and bowels and simply cannot hold. Also the time between a puppy realising it has to toilet, and being unable to stop himself, is almost zero. So it's far better to set him up for success by taking him out a lot, more than he needs, and aiming for every toilet to be outside than distressing him by forcing him to sit in his mess to "learn".
     
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  8. Sharon Linehan

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    Hi all
    Just wondered if someone could give me some advice please.. I've got a nine month old shih tzu and she gets walks twice a day with access to the garden throughout the day to as I am always at home. She is really good at night and sleeps in the den, never having any accidents but no matter how much we walk her she never does her toileting out side and will wait until she comes back into the house Grrrr!
    Along with the nipping and barking I'm starting to pull my hair out!
     
  9. Cayley

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    Just deleted my rambling rant about training my puppy. Had an anxious new puppy Mum moment.... again.
     
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  10. ZodiacTide

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    Hi,

    Do you have any advice?

    We have an almost 10 week old Lab pup who goes outside, will choose to go out side when the door is open & we look for signs when the door is shut.

    Unlike our 8 month old, she doesn't go as soon as she's eaten, it's usually 2 maybe 3, possibly 4 hours later (number 2).

    At night we take her out at regular 2 hour intervals and usually have to wake her, she sleeps heavier than our boy but she will mess, not cry for a while but is happy to sit in it. She's crated in a small crate, with a divider to make it smaller, she can turn around and lay down but that's it as she messes.

    Our boy was scared of his own mess, he would avoid it like the plague but she is happy to be covered in it, resulting in her having multiple washes a night.

    Any advice? I'm stuck.
     
  11. Cayley

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    I can only ask if you’re leaving her water overnight and how soon before bed do you feed her?

    I was told to take our pups water away an hour before bed and to feed her 4 hours before bedtime and nothing after that. After she has done her last wee and poo, then we would put her to bed.

    (We lucked out that our pup was actually very good at holding her wee/poo and so I don’t know if this is helpful in your case.)
     
  12. ZodiacTide

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    Hi,

    She get fed at about 5 in the evening, we got to bed at 10. She doesn't get any water for about an hour and a half before bed but still manages to do mess. She's been to poop and pee twice now before bed. Fingers crossed!
     
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  13. Cayley

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    Does anyone have any advice about toilet training a pup outside of the house?

    Our pup is trained in the kitchen (which is half carpet) but not in the lounge. Also, at other people’s houses/the pub, she has pooped on sofas, and peed on their carpet...

    She doesn’t like to go on concrete either...
     
  14. JoanneF

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    It sounds like you have trained her well, but to toilet in the house.

    You don't say how old she is but if she is young she physically won't be able to hold for any long periods. Toilet training happens when two things come together - the ABILITY to hold the toilet, along with the DESIRE to hold it in order to earn the reward for doing so.

    Ideally you want her to not be in a position where she needs to toilet before you have her outdoors, so that every toilet is outside. So set her up to succeed by taking her out even more than she needs; for example every 45 minutes to an hour and always after sleeping, eating, playing. The time between a puppy realising they need to toilet, and being unable to hold that toilet, is zero. So your aim is to have her outside before she can't help herself. When she toilets outdoors make a huge fuss (never mind the neighbours, act like outdoor toileting is the best thing you have ever seen) and reward her with a high value treat. Do that immediately, don't make her come to you for the treat so she is clear that it's for toileting and not for coming to you. The idea is that she wants to earn the treat enough to hold the toilet until she is outside - once she is physically able to control her toileting obviously. If she has an accident inside don't react at all. If you get annoyed she may learn to fear your reaction and avoid you if she needs to toilet - the opposite of what you want. Just clean the area with an enzymatic cleaner to remove any trace of smell that might attract her back to the spot. As she is actually performing the toilet you can introduce words she can associate with it (like 'do weewee' and 'busy busy') that later when she is reliably trained you can use these to tell her when you want her to toilet.

    Indoors if you see her circling or scratching the floor, that can sometimes precede toileting so get her out fast.
     
  15. Cayley

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    Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. She goes to the door and asks to go out when we’re in the kitchen. She sits quietly for a wee, but will become more adjitated and bark a little for a poo. She is 15 weeks at the moment. We have a baby gate seperating the kitchen from the lounge and so she doesn’t get to go in often. We have to watch her for chewing and she’s giddier in there. That room is easier to extend into. We plan on taking her in for an hour after each movement. I’m confident that will come in time, just like the kitchen did.

    My problem is other people’s homes, and indoor public spaces, like the pub. When and how do you train your dog to not to go in places that are not our home? Especially when they don’t have grass outside.
     
  16. Plutodoodle

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    Hi all

    We got our 8 week old Labradoodle a week ago. He is adorable!
    I've taken 2 weeks off work to settle him in and have completed dedicated my time to helping him with his toilet training. He goes outside when I take him out and I always give him a treat if he goes, but he seems to have got wise to this. Now he will sit by the door every 10 mins, go out and do a tiny wee for a treat.
    Also, he will randomly wee on the kitchen floor every 10 mins or so, always a tiny wee. I don't scold him, just clean it up and take him outside to teach him that is where wee goes.
    I know he can hold it as he never wees in his crate and has slept through the night since day 1.
    Also he never wees on the sofa. We often have playtime and cuddles on the sofa for 1-2 hours at a time and he's....so far....never had an accident. So why does he wee on the floor so often? Is he associating wees with treats too much?

    Thanks x
     
  17. Emandmillie

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    Hi folks. We have an 11 week old pup. She never poos in the house&hasnt had any accidents in her crate but she has in her playpen. She whines to be let out her playpen a lot but it's difficult to tell if she needs to toilet or if she just wants freedom. the times when she is out her pen she doesn't go to the door or bark to be let out, and on occasions she has walked past the backdoor&peed in the kitchen instead. I'm wondering is the playpen preventing her from learning to go to the door&tell us she wants out. Do I need to teach her a way to tell us she wants to go out to toilet? Or is this just normal puppy learning behaviour&should I give her more time to learn? any advice gratefully received!! Emma
     
  18. Siskin

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    It's very rare that young puppies truly understand that they have to ask to be let out, many adult dogs don't do it either. You need to be proactive and take your pup out to the garden, not wait til she asks. Take her out upon waking, after a meal, after a play and at about hourly intervals. Go with her into the garden and wait until she performs. As she is going say a cue word like 'busy, busy' or 'go wees' or whatever word you want to use, but only when she is actually performing. Praise hugely, like its the best thing in the word when she's finished, go to her to praise don't call her to you. She will quickly learn that she needs to toilet outside, but you do need to keep taking her out regularly so that you set her up to succeed
     
  19. Emandmillie

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    Ah yeah thanks we've been doing that a lot so fortunately she hadnt had that many accidents as we are frequently taking her out. I just wasn't sure if the playpen was almost acting as a barrier to allowing her to tell us that she wants to be let out as she can't stand by the back door because she's in her pen&if she whines when she's in her pen, she often just wants to wander around the house, rather than go toilet. She did cry early the other morning when she was in her crate so I immediately came down&let her out so she does know how to tell us when she's desperate, but in the daytime she sometimes chooses to walk past the back door&wee on the floor in the house instead. I'm confident it'll be something I'm doing wrong so any pointers/advice would be great. Many thanks!! X
     
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