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Help with remedy for Max's constipation .

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  1. vivien

    vivien PetForums VIP

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    ever since Max was a kitten, he has suffered from constipation. When he was younger he had to have a serious operation, because his lymph nodes had swollen and bent his colon. He had a biopsy to check for lymphoma, luckily he was ok. He had antibiotics and thankfully he went back to normal. Now jump back to now. I took Max for his booster with Yogi and Simba. I told him about Max still suffering badly with with constipation. So much so that if you dropped a bit on the floor it sounds like a stone hitting the floor. Kevin looked on his notes, and said you do know it's down here he suffers from IBD. I said no, the Kevin that did his operation told me it was an infection ( he has left the practice and is in Australia now. ) so I told buffie what I was told and she said it's not IBD as Meeko has diareah as well as other things. So I can only imagine that the Kevin that did Max's operation was putting that down as a reason in case it ever happened again with Max. Touch wood it never has.kevin told me to try and get him to eat better food he has RC Ragdoll and RC indoor longhair. He will very rarely eat wet. He does drink plenty he loves drinking from his cat mate fountain does anyone know what suplliments I could try to make it easier to go to the loo? Thanks in advance.
    Also yogi's MOT didn't go down too well either. He did a thorough check on him, and when he got to his back and his left back knee he spat at Kevin. So he did a more in depth feel of this area, and said he either has loose knees or dislocated knees. But to find out he will have to have general anesthetic so he can X-ray him. He said while Yogi is being managed with metacam. He will leave him be, as he might not come out of the GA. he is showing a few neurological signs. Like large pupils when he has erratic behaviour. He will suddenly attack his back or back legs. He also sometimes has a strange look on his face. Kevin says this is all normal with his condition. All in all it wasn't a good day Tuesday.

    Viv xx
     
  2. Ceiling Kitty

    Ceiling Kitty Hides away from much through humour...

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    Too many Kevins, lol!

    Have you tried Peridale?

    I'd try and look into possible reasons for the constipation though. Does he have any remaining anatomical abnormalities from the previous surgery? Are his lymph nodes still enlarged?

    Do we know the reasoning behind the suspicions for IBD? IBD is a broad disease and while some cats suffer with diarrhoea, vomiting is more common, constipation can be a symptom and I've seen plenty whose only symptom is weight loss with increased hunger (those are easy to mistake for hyperthyroidism).
     
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    You need to get him off dry food. Constipation is one of the main problems with dry feeding. Any cat can be transitioned it just takes a little work. All your cats will be better off on a wet diet. Some egg yolk a few times a week (in addition to the wet diet) can help with constipation, as can added fat in the diet.

    But it is crucial to your Max's health that you get rid of the dry food.
     
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    buffie Mentored by Meeko

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    Just to clarify I said Meeko has the vomiting version of IBD and that without specific tests/scans surely the vet who did the initial op on Max wouldn't just put in his record that he had IBD without investigating further.
     
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  5. OrientalSlave

    OrientalSlave Shunra Oriental Cats

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    Yes to wet food not dry, yes to more investigations. If he continues with poo that hard he will probably have severe problems sooner or later.

    My own Max had chronic constipation 4 years ago, eventually he was referred to the Royal Dick. Expensive but they were able to conclude there was no obvious cause and he given yet another enema, and put on lactulose & cisapride, with Leipol on his food. "Lepicol is a three-in-one combination of gentle psyllium husk fibre supplement, live bacterial cultures and inulin."

    He had to be on a very high dose of both lactulose and cisapride initially, but his stools then went soft, almost jelly like, and the medication was gradually reduced. Generally now he is a bit on the firm side but doesn't need medication. However on the rare occasions he goes to a cattery the cisapride goes with him and he's put on a low dose, as if the change puts him of 'going' for a couple of days he will get constipated again.

    The investigations at the RD included X-Ray (to check his spine), ultrasound of his entire large colon & caecum (huge shave!), urinalysis and bloods. That plus the enema and an overnight as I couldn't get back to pick him up that day saw almost £1k. He was / is worth every penny. The care at admission and the aftercare was fabulous, and he had a ball being fussed & petted. He saw a feline specialist & her student, and adored them both. The specialist was so sneaky as well, she was petting him and kept having a surreptitious feel, he had no idea a vet was examining him!

    He was 5 years old at the time, obviously he is now 9 and doesn't look it.
     
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    vivien PetForums VIP

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    Thank you ceiling kitty. I have never heard of Peridale, but I will look it up. No Max hasn't had any issues at all, other than being constipated. I have mentioned it before when we have gone for boosters. But nothing has been said until Tuesday when Kevin backtracked after we said about his operation. He is a good weight and other than the constipation is in good health. Not even got any bad teeth which at 7 Years old did surprise me. So it was a shock for me for our Kevin to tell us what the other Kevin said. His weight is a healthy 4-95 kilos a couple of weeks ago he was just over 5 kilo but with the warmer weather he has been outdoors running around. All Kevin told me to do was if he won't eat wet meat to try and get him to eat a better dry ( if you can call it that. ) like Orijin or Applaws. I have tried him on both. Buffie has said maybe he will eat thrive. So I will buy a small bag of it to try him on. Thank you again.xx
     
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    vivien PetForums VIP

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    Thank you Max is the only one that is a dry food only eater. I have got him to a point where he will eat wet food, but just a couple of mouthful when I let the boys eat outside. So some progress there. Thank you for the tip of egg yolk. Would that be raw or boiled?
    Again thank you you have been a great help. X
     
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    vivien PetForums VIP

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    Thanks buffie. I know that's why I was so confused. I have told them time and time again when he has gone for his boosters. It was only when Kevin looked back into his records he found that. Max was in the vet hospital for a long time when he had his operation, a week I think maybe more. I have had so much go on I can't remember. So whether the other Kevin did tests or not I don't know. But I do know not at any time was IBD mentioned. So I am very confused now. Our Kevin didn't say anything about tests or anything just that I had to change his food. X
     
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    vivien PetForums VIP

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    Thank you. That's a great help to me. Kevin at the moment has told me to change his food. I am slowly winning ( I think ) he will eat a couple of mouthfuls of wet when I takefood out to the boys, when they are too busy to come I. And eat. Other than the constipation Max is very healthy, a good weight, his coat is good, eyes bright, the really hard stuff seems to happen a couple of times a week. I just got worried when Kevin said IBD. I always thought IBD was diareah.
    Max is 7 and is so playful like a kitten. X
     
  10. buffie

    buffie Mentored by Meeko

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    It might be worth asking for a print out of Max's clinical history so that you can see for yourself exactly what was done and written on his records.
    Hope you can get to the bottom(excuse the pun) of this as it is a bit confusing.
     
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    vivien PetForums VIP

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    Yes I think you are right. I just need to find the right way to approach this though. Thank you. You always come up with good ideas. :) I'm off to feed the boys and do some evening jobs. Be back soon

    Viv xx
     
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  12. buffie

    buffie Mentored by Meeko

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    I don't think there is anything unusual about asking for clinical records,I have them for Meeko as it is really useful to read back to remind myself what was found/prescribed etc when he had all his scans/xrays /bloodtests ec done.
     
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    vivien PetForums VIP

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    You are right it's better to be in the loop of what happened back then.

    Viv xx
     
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    Good job getting him on some wet. Never give up, you CAN turn him into a wet fed cat!

    Egg yolk can be given raw, boiled or dried. I used to give yolk raw, twice a week. I've found a smaller daily amount more effective so now I boil them and give 1/4 yolk daily (with the last meal of the day)

    It did take two of them a while to accpet it this way. They love it raw. So I started with just tiny amounts of it boiled mixed into the bed time meal, and as they got used to the taste gradually increased it until they were up to the full quarter yolk (approx 0.14 ounces)

    Giving it dried would be easiest, but I am just not prepared to add that much extra work to my already heavy feeding the cats work load.

    I use certified organic, certified humanely raised (free range pasture),non-GMO Project Verified eggs.

    Here are the instructions for drying egg yolk, if you want to try that,.

    http://www.foodfurlife.com/make-homemade-dried-egg-yolk-powder.html

    Adding fat can also help (for instance a little chicken skin)
     
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  15. bluecordelia

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    Yes to wet food or even raw. Blue had terrible dire rear. I did try lots of good commercial wets but raw fixed her plus she started going out. Dry food absorbs all the moisture in the gut. It's like us eating dry baked biscuits. Try to add a bit of warm water to wet. I put in salmon oil when I remember that I get from ZP xx
     
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    vivien PetForums VIP

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    Thank you. That's a great help. I will give him the egg raw at first to see if he likes it that way. I didn't know chicken skin can help. Great idea. Xx
    Thank you. I use salmon oil for Yogi. From zp it's helped his mobility a lot. I will see if I can get Max to take some too. Xx
     
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